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Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Re: Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Nation states (China and Russia) are backing a massive PR campaign against tools that they can't control... Hence these major attacks lately and all the hate for Facebook and Google. In reality, those tech companies are enormously more ethical than Baidu or Alibaba or almost any mainstream alternatives... And compared to companies oil, gun, drug, tobacco, alcohol and most others, Facebook and Google are saints.

Can we get proof of this supposed massive PR campaign? You can't just shoo away several real, well-documented, massive breach of trust from Facebook with "well it's the Russians". The hate Facebook is getting comes from them being negligent about user data, and they were well-aware of the problem.

https://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-helped-reveal-china...

There are hundreds of more similar articles documenting hacking by China and Russia. The data breach at the parent of this article even is supposed to have been done by a coordinated nation states. How can a company ever compete against a nations resources? Expecting Facebook to magically secure themselves against attacks by a nation is wishful thinking. If you want to stop breaches like this, the nation's that are doing it must be held accountable. Facebook is an easy target, but that's just attacking the victim. China and Russia are much more intimidating but are the ones who are the true perpetrators.

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> So is working at Google, Amazon and probably 90% of the big corps of the world in many sectors While Google and Amazon both have their ethical problems and serious anti-trust issues, Facebook is in a league of its own. The complete, cavalier disregard for the consequences of its own actions as long as they get theirs is utterly unconscionable. Unlike Google or Amazon, they add nothing of real value to society to ba…

That's, just like, your opinion man.

The dude abides.

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Nation states (China and Russia) are backing a massive PR campaign against tools that they can't control... Hence these major attacks lately and all the hate for Facebook and Google. In reality, those tech companies are enormously more ethical than Baidu or Alibaba or almost any mainstream alternatives... And compared to companies oil, gun, drug, tobacco, alcohol and most others, Facebook and Google are saints.

Please, don't excuse their behaviors by giving examples of companies doing worse. While FB or G, or Amazon, might not be killing people directly, you could very easily compare their methods to those of big oil or tobacco, because they ignore the influence/effect they have in certain countries with questionable governments. In my mind, FBs inaction in countries like Burma has caused more direct conflict/hate then most…

Your comment history shows no criticisms of truly awful nation state dictatorships or any of the 95% of all companies that behave far worse than Facebook. Facebook is just an easy target.

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That's, just like, your opinion man.

We are all in the world of opinions here. Share your opinion or criticize his. Comments like this are not helping us make progress on these issues.

Maybe I've just bought into the image Mark wants to give off, but I believe facebook's naivety in its actions to largely result from Mark's optimism and lack of skepticism. He comes off as a person with hope and belief that things are good and positive. He doesnt come off as a cynical, worst case scenario type person. Time and time again, something happens, he writes that "it isnt so bad" and THEN evidence comes out that it’s a bit worse. Usually the press invents a new level of hyperbolic hysteria, pretending it’s even worse than it is for ratings.

BUT whether its "fake news" or "data misuse" Mark is wrong because he believes all else equal, good is more powerful than malignant, and I think he is wrong.

Mark has a megaphone, he can amplify whatever the fuck he wants. Any story, any fact, any narrative. And he chooses to be passive, inactive, reactive, and let the algorithm decide, because he can maintain a position of faultlessness, forever blameless, as long as he can point a finger at a math problem, a glitch, or an oversight. He speaks in response to controversy, not preemptively.

The answer to election manipulation, fake news, etc, is to find better ways to rate and surface GOOD content. What SHOULD people be reading. Not, "well we only show what your friends posted, so blame your friends." Why is every person with money buying a newspaper? Because they have realized what Mark hasnt. To speak out, without prompt, about what is right and good. That means having an agenda, that means having bias, that means having an opinion. Mark cant have an opinion, because is trying to please 7 billion people at once, and has chosen to favor blandness and inoffensiveness. I believe he has made a mistake; both in his lack of pessimism towards collective human behavior, trusting monkeys with typewriters to come together on their own; and for not having the courage to come out and say more offensive things. He should have torn the senate apart like Howard Hughes in The Aviator. Instead he played nice, hoping they would soon forget about him.

Quick plug to sites that DO surface good content daily: What Mark SHOULD be doing. A facebook front page, a TIGHTLY curated (looking at you msn.com!) of what people SHOULD be paying attention to, things that actually matter to humanity, avoiding stories and serialized controversy the news cycle invents for its own riches.

https://www.aldaily.com/

https://www.techmeme.com/river

https://redef.com/channel/media/feed

https://longform.org/

https://longreads.com/

[I don't think Mark is being insincere, or speaking in bad faith, when he says Facebook takes security seriously. Of all companies to scale quickly, facebook has not been one that appears to allow technical security debt to accumulate, unlike just about any non tech company in the world.]

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Recently talked to 2 friends working for fb. According to them, the culture there is very toxic. For a master's degree, once get in, you need to get promoted in 22 months (I might misremember the actual number.) or you will have to leave. Debugging is never counted as a real work, so for quick promotion, nobody wants to solve bugs unless a bug becomes too obvious. And they also complained about no work-life balance.…

Trading anecdotes, I have a number of friends at Facebook (both at Menlo Park and the NYC office), and they complain about the opposite: lots of people just coasting and doing the minimum needed to get by, really hard to fire people, etc.

This is part of why I left last year so... too true.

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Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

> Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. Facebook offers a service that people wants. A service that is not morally bad, if any connecting people is a positive thing. The monetization of that business is what has proven problematic. As it is offered for free, it is people's privacy what is being sold. Who should solve it? The problem with "just don't work for Facebook" is that it shifts the responsibili…

> Facebook offers a service that people wants. A service that is not morally bad, if any connecting people is a positive thing.

People also want heroin. That doesn't mean it's actually a positive thing in people's lives. If anything the evidence is mounting that it is negative, e.g.: https://hbr.org/2017/04/a-new-more-rigorous-study-confirms-t...

I mostly agree with the rest of your post, though. I believe it's possible, though very rare, to work at Facebook and have a positive impact.

And there's definitely a total mismatch between regulation and the realities of big tech companies. I'm skeptical of government regulation solving privacy issues specifically (I think that stems more from a widespread cultural misunderstanding or unawareness of privacy concerns) but maybe it's needed for other ways these companies are negatively impacting the world.

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We are all in the world of opinions here. Share your opinion or criticize his. Comments like this are not helping us make progress on these issues.

Sure, let's all sling FUD around based on anecdotes and fake data. Let's shame people earning a salary working at a company and trying to solve real problems. Sure FB does some shitty things but honestly so does every large company out there. It's impossible to get to that massive size without breaking a couple eggs here and there. People expect saints when saints are imaginary. The baseline to measure cannot be "per…

"based on anecdotes and fake data." ... "Sure FB does some shitty things".

So which one is it? You are contradicting yourself.

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We compiled details on this breach here, including some insights on the attack vector https://breachroom.templarbit.com/facebook-is-breached-by-ha...

Is this in any way related to the person earlier who said they would livestream hacking Zuckerberg's account?

Re: Facebook Network Breach Impacts Up to 50M Users

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Said this yesterday in the other Facebook thread, and I'll say it again. Working for Facebook is a morally bankrupt position. If you are an engineer you have plenty of job opportunities available to you and there is no excuse for you to continue contributing your labor and time to a wholly malignant organization. At a certain point one has to ask how we as an industry will start dealing with those who continue to tak…

For better or worse, a lot of people can distance themselves from what the company does. I used to work as a software engineer for one of the largest banks in the world...The department I worked in had exactly zero to do with money, I never got close to a customer, I never had to deal with an account of any kind. It was a really cool gig, too.

With as big as Facebook is, a lot of people (the majority?) are not directly connected to all the crap you see in the news. Sure, you can say they contribute to it, and you'd be totally correct...but Im sure what they see is a bunch of smart people working on cool technology with a good salary and free lunch.

So yeah, its probably "morally corrupt", no denying it, but so's the majority of companies that hire more than 50 people, one way or another. You have to work somewhere.

Then you have people who are trying to do the right thing from the inside. I knew someone who worked for Google purely to try and change its culture. The paycheck probably didn't hurt. There's a lot of these people.

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