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Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by redorb »

return-value wrote: post #9
dev_dull wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or note, requiring ID to vote in the United States is considered controversial.

We don’t require ID as such. Every citizen is issued a little piece of paper that they can trade in for a ballot for that specific election. We used to look people up in big books, that are printed for the occasion, to make sure their piece is valid and they haven’t already voted - which took a long time and led to queues. That’s the part we digitized. But you can vote without ID as long as you have that piece of pap…

But there was some ID to get that piece of paper right?

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Post by slg »

dev_dull wrote: post #7
return-value wrote: post #6

I work for the municipality of Skanderborg, Denmark. We have what we call digital elections, but what’s digitized is the registration process. Basically every adult gets a voting card with their information + a barcode, we scan those barcodes when they turn up to receive their ballot(is that the right word for voting list?), and then they are registered. The actual voting takes place on paper, and while it takes time…

Believe it or note, requiring ID to vote in the United States is considered controversial.

Because citizens are not required to have ID and those that don't have one are disproportionately racial minorities and/or in lower socioeconomic classes. Democrats would be much more willing to allow ID to be required to vote if there was a national ID card issued to every citizen, but Republicans would be against any system that would try to create a national ID.

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Post by rectang »

moviuro wrote: post #5
rectang wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This video is about electronic voting. The article is about a device used to count paper ballots.

Paper ballot counting happens to be mentioned in the video at ~4:20

It would have been helpful if you had noted that in your original post. Just pointing to a opaque video URL without summary is inconvenient for the rest of the readers. Therefore, I posted quickly (without watching the entire video) in an attempt to spare others from having to waste their time.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by jniedrauer »

return-value wrote: post #6

I work for the municipality of Skanderborg, Denmark. We have what we call digital elections, but what’s digitized is the registration process. Basically every adult gets a voting card with their information + a barcode, we scan those barcodes when they turn up to receive their ballot(is that the right word for voting list?), and then they are registered. The actual voting takes place on paper, and while it takes time…

> It’s a little taxing, but everyone involved enjoy the process

This is part of the problem in the United States. Voting is a chore, and you're often going to lose money (unpaid time off) to do it. If elections were national holidays and voting was treated as a privilege instead of a chore, we would be much better off.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by olivermarks »

HBO 2006 documentary 'Hacking Democracy' on Youtube https://youtu.be/iZLWPleeCHE

'The film investigates the flawed integrity of electronic voting machines, particularly those made by Diebold Election Systems, exposing previously unknown backdoors in the Diebold trade secret computer software. The film culminates dramatically in the on-camera hacking of the in-use / working Diebold election system in Leon County, Florida - the same computer voting system which has been used in actual American elections across thirty-three states, and which still counts tens of millions of America's votes today.' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hacking_Democracy

Same company in 2018, same issues

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by jniedrauer »

slg wrote: post #12
dev_dull wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Believe it or note, requiring ID to vote in the United States is considered controversial.

Because citizens are not required to have ID and those that don't have one are disproportionately racial minorities and/or in lower socioeconomic classes. Democrats would be much more willing to allow ID to be required to vote if there was a national ID card issued to every citizen, but Republicans would be against any system that would try to create a national ID.

We desperately need a national ID card. Social security was never designed for this purpose and it's terrible for it. Drivers license requires having access to a car and some way to learn how to use it.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by return-value »

redorb wrote: post #11
return-value wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t require ID as such. Every citizen is issued a little piece of paper that they can trade in for a ballot for that specific election. We used to look people up in big books, that are printed for the occasion, to make sure their piece is valid and they haven’t already voted - which took a long time and led to queues. That’s the part we digitized. But you can vote without ID as long as you have that piece of pap…

But there was some ID to get that piece of paper right?

Well, it’s sent to your address.

We do have a central registry of every citizen, so I guess that might scare some Americans.

You don’t need that though, you could pick up your registration at any municipality with your ID. That’s how I vote, I work from before the voting starts to after it closes, so I vote via mail.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by Chardok »

With all of this discussion in Washington about Russian hacking and Russian voter influencing, why are these demonstrably vulnerable voting machines hardly mentioned? It would seem to me this should be a number one priority to prevent outside interference.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by return-value »

jniedrauer wrote: post #14
return-value wrote: post #6

I work for the municipality of Skanderborg, Denmark. We have what we call digital elections, but what’s digitized is the registration process. Basically every adult gets a voting card with their information + a barcode, we scan those barcodes when they turn up to receive their ballot(is that the right word for voting list?), and then they are registered. The actual voting takes place on paper, and while it takes time…

> It’s a little taxing, but everyone involved enjoy the process This is part of the problem in the United States. Voting is a chore, and you're often going to lose money (unpaid time off) to do it. If elections were national holidays and voting was treated as a privilege instead of a chore, we would be much better off.

Can’t you vote by mail in month leading up to the election?

We can, that’s what I do since I’m working on election days.

Re: Voting Machine Used in Half of U.S. Is Vulnerable to Attack, Report Finds

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Post by seren »

jniedrauer wrote: post #14
return-value wrote: post #6

I work for the municipality of Skanderborg, Denmark. We have what we call digital elections, but what’s digitized is the registration process. Basically every adult gets a voting card with their information + a barcode, we scan those barcodes when they turn up to receive their ballot(is that the right word for voting list?), and then they are registered. The actual voting takes place on paper, and while it takes time…

> It’s a little taxing, but everyone involved enjoy the process This is part of the problem in the United States. Voting is a chore, and you're often going to lose money (unpaid time off) to do it. If elections were national holidays and voting was treated as a privilege instead of a chore, we would be much better off.

Why are elections not held on Sundays ? I assume that on average there are less people working that day that Monday - Friday, so less people would have to take time off from their job.

Edit: Found this

> In 1845, the United States Congress chose a single date for all national elections in all states. The first Tuesday after the first Monday in November was chosen so that there would never be more than 34 days between Election Day and the first Wednesday in December. Election Day is held on a Tuesday so that voters will not have to vote or travel on Sunday. This was an important consideration at the time when the laws were written and is still so in some Christian communities in the United States.

This seems a pretty dated reason. Why no one is proposing to change it ?

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