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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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The workaround is called GDPR. A shadow account is illegal with that.

The standard official Facebook response to this is that you do not own your "shadow profile" since it's a profile made out of data gathered from other people and companies, and thus they can not let you control it. In other words "it is not your data". I doubt that holds in court, but as mentioned in the article, there are people in the EU who for months have tried to get Facebook to provide the shadow profile data o…

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>However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Lol! Phone numbers have less than 40 bits of entropy, it's trivial to break those hashes.

Salt them.

How would that work in this setup?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

A reminder that if you work for Facebook you are fully complicit. Especially if you're an engineer, there should be no shortage of jobs available to you at this time. There is no excuse to work for a company that's sole focus is exploitation of its users.

Exactly. When I get recruitment emails from Facebook I like to kindly remind the recruiters that I am not interested in furthering the interests of a company that in my opinion is making the world worse, not better.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

A reminder that if you work for Facebook you are fully complicit. Especially if you're an engineer, there should be no shortage of jobs available to you at this time. There is no excuse to work for a company that's sole focus is exploitation of its users.

Reminder that the same applies to Google.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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A reminder that if you work for Facebook you are fully complicit. Especially if you're an engineer, there should be no shortage of jobs available to you at this time. There is no excuse to work for a company that's sole focus is exploitation of its users.

Reminder that the same applies to Google.

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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A reminder that if you work for Facebook you are fully complicit. Especially if you're an engineer, there should be no shortage of jobs available to you at this time. There is no excuse to work for a company that's sole focus is exploitation of its users.

Reminder that the same applies to Google.

Yes, but it’s not about business model, it’s about trust. Both companies, Facebook and Google, built their business modeles around advertisers and have no other option than to sell your data. But, for some reason, 9 out of 10 engineers that I work with dislike Facebook and don’t trust them. They are willing to share work documents and emails with Google, but not Facebook.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Reminder that the same applies to Google.

Yes, but it’s not about business model, it’s about trust. Both companies, Facebook and Google, built their business modeles around advertisers and have no other option than to sell your data. But, for some reason, 9 out of 10 engineers that I work with dislike Facebook and don’t trust them. They are willing to share work documents and emails with Google, but not Facebook.

That's only because Facebook is optional. They use Google for their email and documents because they need something for those things.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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> most people remain unaware that FB owns both WhatsApp and IG I am not surprised. If you let Google autocomplete the search "is facebook o" for you, you'll find these autocomplete results in order: 1. is facebook owned by google 2. is facebook on roku 3. is facebook over 4. is facebook offline 5. is facebook overvalued ... 10. is facebook on its way out Seriously, people? "Is Facebook owned by Google?". AFAIK most p…

True. The other day I was talking to my cousin and the conversation was something like: — Facebook copied Snapchat's functionality on all their platforms. — Instagram and Whatsapp copied it too. — Yeah, that's what I meant by all their platforms. — They're owned by Facebook? She uses Instagram and Whatsapp everyday!

TBH, people don't really care about who owns what. We know it because it's our domain of expertise, but, for instance, I couldn't tell you if Uncle Ben's rice is owned by Nestlé, Unilever, Kraft Foods, Mars, Coca-Cola or some other food brand. Yet I eat rice several times a week.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

A reminder that if you work for Facebook you are fully complicit. Especially if you're an engineer, there should be no shortage of jobs available to you at this time. There is no excuse to work for a company that's sole focus is exploitation of its users.

The problem with this argument - I care about issue X, company C is known to disregard/exploit users with X and so I assume all employees of company C are complicit while I give a free pass to the users who remain ignorant and simply don't care no matter how many times these issues surface.

And where do you stop? Are all doctors working for big pharma related to opioid crisis complicit? what about people working for firms related to the financial crisis? engineers working for any company that suffered data breaches due to lax data security? what about engineers working for companies that haven't suffered data breaches yet but might have lax security? scientists working to certain biotech firms related to GM? engineers working for car manufacturers that cheated emission norms? engineers working for telecom/internet service providers that cheat users by throttling/net neutrality etc. etc. etc.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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This is why acquisitions such as IG and WhatsApp are crucial. If they purchase the next cool thing, they never really go out of fashion. FB has gone from throwing sheep at your friends to this. I don't think they are stopping anytime soon

> This is why acquisitions such as IG and WhatsApp are crucial. If they purchase the next cool thing, they never really go out of fashion. FB has gone from throwing sheep at your friends to this. I don't think they are stopping anytime soon But it does mean that an even somewhat diligent antitrust enforcement could strangle them to death. They shouldn't be allowed to acquire their future competitors. If the US won't…

We have a hard time making them pay their taxes, I'm pretty sure we won't be able to regulate them anytime soon.
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