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Re: Bloated

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Post by majewsky »

firefoxd wrote: post #14

Kudos to the author. I think if every technical person with a blog takes the time to reevaluate it will be a good start. Over the years I've reworked my own blog to not use any third party dependencies (bootstrap, jquery, etc.). And use very few images. My last thing is to get rid of Google Analytics, which piwik (now matomo) has failed to replace but hope is not lost. I also discovered that GA does not respect DoNot…

I don't have any analytics on my blog. Can you explain the benefit of GA over Piwik? What genuinely useful insights does GA give you (specifically for a personal blog) that Piwik does not? (I assume that the info from Piwik would be similar to what you get from computing stats from the web server access log.)

Re: Bloated

#52

Post by vram22 »

wink wrote: post #42
saagarjha wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sad thing is that even if 100% of the people with personal websites would do the same, it probably wouldn't change much. Why not? A significant portion of my web browsing is done on people's personal websites, since they often have cool things to share. If I'm going to get better performance on these websites, I might change my browsing preferences to favor these even more heavily.

of course I don't have any real data, but I'd bet a lot that most of the internet's non-automated (i.e. human) web traffic is to big publications and organizations. The "private web" is kind of dead. (Let's assume a generous 20% usage, which is still kinda dead). So your web traffic might be to personal websites (mine is, too) - but we're a minority I guess. So while the goal is laudable, even a 100% change would pro…

>So your web traffic might be to personal websites (mine is, too) - but we're a minority I guess

But then that would be an improved situation for the two of you, right? (And many others like you, including me.) So it would still make some difference to those who care.

The overall load on the web would still be higher than it could be, though, due to the bloat.

Small improvements should not necessarily be neglected or dismissed, though. Otherwise it becomes like a symptom of the original problem being discussed.

Re: Bloated

#53

Post by jodrellblank »

matt4077 wrote: post #33

If people actually cared, websites would be lighter. But they don't. Yes, this community here does care, much like the experienced woodworker who nods approvingly when he sees . Even in cases where people might agree that lighter pages are preferable, it's just not a priority. I know that might appear wrongheaded. But I assure you there are dozens of things you do every day that would make a subject matter expert's h…

But I assure you there are dozens of things you do every day that would make a subject matter expert's hairs fall out: that's not how you're supposed to brush your teeth ... you have to wait for the engine to cool before measuring oil ...

I don't even have 10,000 visitors each day watching me measure the oil in my car or brush my teeth. Neither are they /all/ paying extra in electricity and battery life and wasted time watching me do it badly.

What in my everyday life do I do so badly that is also an externalised cost on thousands to millions of other people, which I profit a lot more by doing badly?

Re: Bloated

#54

Post by matt4077 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #53
matt4077 wrote: post #33

If people actually cared, websites would be lighter. But they don't. Yes, this community here does care, much like the experienced woodworker who nods approvingly when he sees . Even in cases where people might agree that lighter pages are preferable, it's just not a priority. I know that might appear wrongheaded. But I assure you there are dozens of things you do every day that would make a subject matter expert's h…

But I assure you there are dozens of things you do every day that would make a subject matter expert's hairs fall out: that's not how you're supposed to brush your teeth ... you have to wait for the engine to cool before measuring oil ... I don't even have 10,000 visitors each day watching me measure the oil in my car or brush my teeth. Neither are they /all/ paying extra in electricity and battery life and wasted ti…

Yeah... that's kind of my point: your indignation just seems a little excessive, considering data charges do not in reality range in the top 100 problems people have.

If you really can't fathom why this doesn't get a Special Prosecutor: Remember that every year, tens of thousands die in the US alone because their doctor's handwriting was so bad they got the wrong medicine! Ask your pharmacist what they think of people diddling their life away minifying CSS while this atrocity continues unabated!

Re: Bloated

#55

Post by matt4077 »

romwell wrote: post #34

I am dreaming of a solution to bloat where all mainstream browsers would be throttling per-tab CPU/memory/bandwith usage to Pentium III-on-DSL-circa-2001 levels by default. (The "full speed" option should be there to keep power user from switching, but it should not be obvious to, say, 50% of users). This should be pushed as a feature : now your browser helps make your computer work faster; any slowness in page loadi…

So you think slow websites are such a terrible problem that you are willing to sacrifice (other) peoples' perfomance, just to teach someone a lesson?

Your idea alone disproves the problem: You are upset that nobody is actually hurt by these transgressions against your esthetic sensibilities. So you want to force some actual harm onto the public until they indulge your special little fight for justice (and bandwith).

Re: Bloated

#56

Post by firefoxd »

majewsky wrote: post #51
firefoxd wrote: post #14

Kudos to the author. I think if every technical person with a blog takes the time to reevaluate it will be a good start. Over the years I've reworked my own blog to not use any third party dependencies (bootstrap, jquery, etc.). And use very few images. My last thing is to get rid of Google Analytics, which piwik (now matomo) has failed to replace but hope is not lost. I also discovered that GA does not respect DoNot…

I don't have any analytics on my blog. Can you explain the benefit of GA over Piwik? What genuinely useful insights does GA give you (specifically for a personal blog) that Piwik does not? (I assume that the info from Piwik would be similar to what you get from computing stats from the web server access log.)

It's not the insights, I think piwik got that part right. The problem is when traffic increased piwik and the server it was on could no longer support it.

Re: Bloated

#58

Post by ryandrake »

matt4077 wrote: post #33

If people actually cared, websites would be lighter. But they don't. Yes, this community here does care, much like the experienced woodworker who nods approvingly when he sees . Even in cases where people might agree that lighter pages are preferable, it's just not a priority. I know that might appear wrongheaded. But I assure you there are dozens of things you do every day that would make a subject matter expert's h…

It’s called “Craftsmanship”: doing things right even where most customers don’t see or care.

Re: Bloated

#59

Post by fogetti »

guessmyname wrote: post #5

This is why is I keep using RSS even though many people say it's dead. I even went ahead to create a curated feed [2] for Hacker News to pair with my RSS reader [3]. I stopped doing casual web browsing years ago when many web owners started to bloat their websites with an extravagant amount of ads, excessive JavaScript code, and unnecessary "enhancements" (like custom scrolling experiences and the like) . Nowadays, w…

I switched to Vscode this year as many emacs veterans did. It's lighting fast. And lightweight. It's a joy to use. I can't imagine a thing much more performant than that.
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