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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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recently interviewed at Facebook (didn't pass the in-person) and one thing I was looking for was a job that WASN'T based on ads. I didn't want to come across negative so I was circumspect in my asking ("Tell me about the positions at Facebook that I as an outsider don't know about - I know ads, messaging, and events"). I wasn't really excited by the answers I got - ads seemed worked into everything they brought up, b…

I find it interesting that you would absolve yourself for working for Facebook just because you wouldn't be working directly on ads. Facebook is an ad company with services attached (a fairly reprehensible one in my opinion). If you work for them, you are helping them achieve their goals, which ultimately is about serving people ads, it doesn't matter what particular role you are doing there.

"absolve" is not the correct term (I think) - I don't find ads particularly offensive, I just don't ENJOY them, and I was looking for a job I'd enjoy and enjoy telling people about. I'm perfectly fine with ads existing, though I'm supportive of being able to buy my way out of them. (You can raise issues about ads being inherently deceptive and manipulative, and I wouldn't say you're wrong, but I've not taken a position against them...yet)

That facebook is doing bad things because ads are their only real source of income is a problem because of the bad things, not the ads. At the time the primary concern was "what should facebook be doing about de facto empowering hate speech and (actual) fake news?" and that's a tricky problem that I don't think has a resolved answer, and I sympathize with those that empower communication and only later realize people have more desire to trash things than apply rational caution. Since then much more has come out about some FB practices (and Google), and the question of whether ads-as-your-primary-revenue-source is too much incentive to be "evil" is being implicitly raised, but is likewise not yet resolved.

That said, I do think there are lines to draw and lines not worth drawing. There's very few jobs that don't end up supporting bad things. I don't think it's right to pretend that if you aren't doing it directly that you AREN'T supporting such things...but I also think it's sometimes unrealistic to make your situation worse to deny an indirect support. Deciding where that line lives is an individual decision, and one I have to regularly re-evaluate. To expand my point in the previous post, the news coming out about FB practices definitely made me feel like I'd have been uncomfortable even if I wasn't working directly in ads.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Right, because Move fast and break stuff is their mantra. I'm surprised that articles doesn't even mention it. Perhaps Move fast and hurt people would be more honest. I think it's rather catchy.

Actually their motto is " Make money, because fuck you, that's why "

, beach

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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This is probably the reason Jan Koum left Facebook. He knew the betrayal of privacy promised of Whatsapp was completed by Facebook by doing exactly this.

This doesn’t surprise me at all. Facebook has been bothering me for YEARS to enter my mobile number for “account recovery” purposes. My email is fine for that.

Now Facebook is recommending pages and friends to me who I only am connected with on Instagram. Not to mention Facebook notifications are now integrated into IG. I wouldn’t be surprised if these were the final nails that made Kevin Systrom leave.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #334

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>Lots of people do this... You mean a very small percentage of FB users do this? The point being as parent comment said it’s not “a little effort and minimal cost”. Figure a $10-15 overhead cost for the domain and maybe $5/month/e-mail account? Effectively to minimize tracking on Facebook one would have to spend a minimum of $70/year? It doesn’t seem like a great solution...go with a “free product” like Facebook in e…

No, it sucks, but it is the only way. > May as well offer a competing service that doesn’t track you I would kill for that. But this day and age it would be hard. Also, even subscription services typically see fit to track you and serve you ads.

Sort of like at first people thought paying for cable tv would mean that there would be lots of channels without ads. Didn't happen. Only a few where you get to pay even more for now ads. Now Netflix begins the cycle anew.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Not remotely funny.

Understanding HN is not a place for jokes and quips, I understand your sentiment. But it is pretty humorous.

I took it as a pun on remote-control.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #239

What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

I told my girlfriend about this just now, and she said "omg, they do?!", and went right back to her phone. Probably to check Facebook or Instagram.

Which is the reaction most people will have, I'm guessing.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #239

What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #239

What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

>"...they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads..."

What are 2FA numbers in the context of ads?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#369

And yet in April Mark Zuckerberg told the US Congress that he wasn't "familiar" with shadow profiles[1]: Lujan: Facebook has detailed profiles on people who have never signed up for Facebook, yes or no? Zuckerberg: Congressman, in general we collect data on people who have not signed up for Facebook for security purposes to prevent the kind of scraping you were just referring to [reverse searches based on public info…

Quelle surprise.

I bet plausible deniability is that they call them by a different name internally.

Information brokers are so sketchy – it makes me so sad that the coolest tech companies are also some of the sketchiest.

Do you remember back when the internet and web were all so full of promise? Instead we got tech behemoths that would put Standard Oil and AT&T in their day to shame.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #17

As a security engineer, I cannot overstate just how horrible this is. Phone numbers might not be an ideal 2nd factor for authentication, but to punish users for setting up 2FA by using the provided phone number for ad targetting is incredibly unethical.

I'm using adblock, how does this affect me ?
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