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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#291

I always imagined they would probably end up doing this, and that's why I've never accepted 2FA anywhere a site has tried to push it on me. They can't spam me if they don't know my number...

Good 2FA does not involve phone numbers.

I use 2FA on sites that support TOTP.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

I think platforms like Facebook depend on being "cool" over some demographic. Then other demographics adopt it, time passes, other demographics grow tired of the same old Facebook look their parents also used, and Facebook starts to die. We've seen this as well with other social networks like hi5, myspace, that once dominated entire continents as the preferred social website. Of course they are smart and competent pe…

I see what you mean, but I'm under the impression that Facebook is not "your father's social network" in that it's not even comparable to what MySpace was, neither in numbers nor in qualities.

What I mean is that we are comparing two different beasts, so I'm not sure "it happened to MySpace" is a good telltale sign of what will eventually happen to Facebook.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #239

What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

I think platforms like Facebook depend on being "cool" over some demographic. Then other demographics adopt it, time passes, other demographics grow tired of the same old Facebook look their parents also used, and Facebook starts to die. We've seen this as well with other social networks like hi5, myspace, that once dominated entire continents as the preferred social website. Of course they are smart and competent pe…

This is why acquisitions such as IG and WhatsApp are crucial. If they purchase the next cool thing, they never really go out of fashion. FB has gone from throwing sheep at your friends to this. I don't think they are stopping anytime soon

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#294

It’s a cycle. Facebook has been doing nasty shit and apologizing for it since 2003. I’m starting to think they aren’t actually sorry. https://www.wired.com/story/why-zuckerberg-15-year-apology-t...

Pretty much no one is actually sorry. They're just sorry the underestimated the negative response.

They are abjectly, truly remorseful and sorry that they got caught.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#296

I was purging my life of all things Google(Facebook went first), so I was changing my email addresses under all my various accounts. An odd thing happened when I was changing my info for my Microsoft account: they texted my as a security precaution. The only problem is that I NEVER gave Microsoft my phone number. I do not have 2FA set up. In my contact details, there is a blank for my phone number. WTF Microsoft.

What kind of cooperation level did YOU expect from a $240MM check?

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21458486/ns/business-us_business/t...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who has occasionally runs experiments with FB adverts for various types of business. I feel it's boiling point will be when people and organisations advertising on the platform really start to look deeply into the value for money they are getting on it. I can't tell you the amount of times I've seen organisations throw money at it in return for dubious clicks from markets they never targeted, bot like user…

Are you hinting that FB advertisers are throwing 50 billion (expected 2018 revenue) at ads that are poorly performing? Obviously that is not correct, the result of all this detailed targeting is campaigns that are performing very well for experienced marketeers.

okay so…

- not all people buying FB ads are experienced marketers

- companies throw tons of money at ineffective ads, that should be obvious…

- we have no idea what the ratio of "successful" to unsuccessful campaigns is

- even if that ratio is negative, Facebook is still one of the only remaining "games" in town, so people _will_ continue throwing money at it. “Least worst” is a fine and lucrative place to be in.

- can we just get over this idea of rational economies, by the way

- marketing is less of a science than a craft, and all the implications thereof

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

#298
I only use Facebook like every month now but it always asks about my phone number. It also asks me to enable a log-in short-cut every time.

This last time, they crossed a line: they pre-filled the field (I do NOT have this set up in the browser), meaning they already figured out my number (probably by scrubbing some friend’s phone) and just want it confirmed. To hell with that. I would not be surprised if every spam call in existence can be traced to Facebook.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #239

What's facebook's boiling point? My guess is they'll respond, they'll no longer use 2FA #'s for ads, the damage will have been done, and 99% of the population won't know any of it occurred. We'll repeat this cycle when a fresh revelation occurs months from now, as facebook continues to test how much they can leverage for more ad revenue. But none of it is actually slowing FB down. Its biggest dip in value came from d…

It all comes down to Wall Street. As long as investors are OK with FB's shenanigans, they'll continue to find innovative ways to sell off their users.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, because Move fast and break stuff is their mantra. I'm surprised that articles doesn't even mention it. Perhaps Move fast and hurt people would be more honest. I think it's rather catchy.

Move fast and break stuff, like a bull in a china shop.

I like it! "Facebook: We're a bull in a china shop."
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