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Good for Linus, I'm happy that he's not looking to adjust his technical expectations:
"technically wrong is still technically wrong, and I won't start accepting bad code just to make people feel better about themselves."
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> I do have concerns about the CoC being used for political purposes That's the CoC's entire purpose. Its author (the same person behind the post-meritocracy manifesto) has said that yes, the CoC is a political document.
What is a "post-meritocracy manifesto"? It sounds ... opposite from everything I thought we've all been fighting for in the tech community, but I could be wrong? :-S
If not for this guy - we wouldn't have Linux. I'd much rather work with honest person that can tell me how he really feels then nice spoken liars.
That’s essentially a cliché false dichotomy. Wouldn’t it be even nicer to work with someone who can express how they feel in a constructive and helpful manner?
If not for this guy - we wouldn't have Linux. I'd much rather work with honest person that can tell me how he really feels then nice spoken liars.
So you are either a truthful asshole or a kind liar? There are no people who are kind and honest?
It's interesting that Torvalds describes himself as "not a people person", when he's a gifted communicator who has been tremendously successful at managing the community around Linux over many years. His current refinements are making a great thing even better.
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That’s essentially a cliché false dichotomy. Wouldn’t it be even nicer to work with someone who can express how they feel in a constructive and helpful manner?
Linus wrote emails all day every day for 15 years and like once a year he'd go off on somebody. It's not a false dichotomy, because nobody's perfect. You're gonna have flaws, they're gonna come out on bad days, and at that point you've got a few options for what kinds of flaws you prefer.
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> I do have concerns about the CoC being used for political purposes That's the CoC's entire purpose. Its author (the same person behind the post-meritocracy manifesto) has said that yes, the CoC is a political document.
Of course a Code of Conduct is a political document.
- Ethics are things the overwhelming majority of humans agree on.
- Politics are not.
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Were you replying to someone else? My comment mentioned the majority of people agree on ethics. Racial, gender, sexual preference and religious discrimination isn't considered OK in most western countries.
Additionally, you're derailing the discussion by talking about discrimination. The entire reason this thread was started was because there's concern that that the CoC doesn't merely ensure ethics, but (as mentioned in the examples in this thread) has been used to harass people for what most humans would consider ethical behavior.
It is absolutely possible to be kind when giving honest and constructive feedback and criticism. Empathy is a skill this industry needs to develop.
Maybe he could find someone to get his own frustrations out to, while only sharing the productive, practical code related aspects with his developers.