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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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The other really stupid thing, besides generally hurting the adoption of 2FA forever, is that they probably did it for hardly more than scraps, compared to their conventional add targeting capabilities. Maybe I am completely wrong about this, but I'm pretty convinced that almost all of the ad spending for that feature would have reached Facebook's coffers anyways had it not been available.

At Facebook's scale even the scraps can be worth millions. And the sad truth is that the vast majority of people will not be deterred by, be aware of, or even understand the fact that Facebook is abusing their phone number in this way, so as far as Facebook is concerned it's a small bump in the long road to increased profitability.

> At Facebook's scale even the scraps can be worth millions.

Sure, but the same is true about negative headlines, the effect is just more difficult to quantify.

Maybe it's a general world view problem within Facebook, but usually these things are the result of one overly ambitious person or group optimizing the singular bonus metric of their own little fiefdom at the cost of corporation-wide commons. Big organizations need to be extremely vigilant in their defense against internal foes who won't blink an eye costing the company billions for a gain of millions add long as the latter will be attributed to them while the former won't.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Didn't we have this discussion already earlier this year and they told us it was an unfortunate bug and that it has been fixed? Yes. Yes. We did: https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/16/17022162/facebook-two-fac...

not relevant

I think it is relevant: back in february they made us believe that them using 2FA phone numbers for marketing purposes was a bug and today we learn that them using 2FA phone numbers for marketing purposes is a feature.

So either they lied in February or they have changed their minds. Either way, I think there is value to bring this very similar discussion back to our minds.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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This is exactly the kind of abuse that GDPR is designed to curtail.

So disappointed in the GDPR evangelism on HN.

https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180920/17133740682/gdpr-...

GDPR is a tool that is going to be abused to hide and censor. The EU didn't create this regulation for the benefit of the citizens of EU.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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You'll notice whenever you get the banner to add a phone number for 2FA, it says "add your phone number for additional security and more "

I also hate how all the social media apps want to grab your address book to "see who else you know on here". They all do it.

And even if you don't do it ... chances are a friend of your already has so your contact info is already burned.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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People of multiple platforms dislike me for discrediting facebook. Simply talking about facts and what they could expect. They think they know it all. Some corps are good some are evil. People tend to forget that an evil person could also be your most trusted and reliable one. I work as a cyber security engineer and the things i have see flying by are crazy. The fact that information is sold without you4 knowledge is real. Its a dark world out there in disguise.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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It's also entirely what I expected, hence why I haven't given Facebook my number. Not sure why anyone is surprised by this to be honest.

If I recall correctly creating a Facebook account today requires a phone number. So, consider yourself lucky that you have the option to protect that bit of yourself.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Google has been pushing SMS 2FA a little more aggressively over the past couple of years, too. And I think Apple made it "easier to use SMS 2FA" in iOS 12 for the same reason. I also said before that this is exactly why Facebook wanted to "verify people's faces for security purposes", too. It just seemed so obvious to me that Facebook would use security as an excuse to get people to put their own 100% accurate face s…

> And I think Apple made it "easier to use SMS 2FA" in iOS 12 for the same reason.

Wait. You think Apple is selling your phone number to advertisers?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Another personal observation. I have an Instagram account that I thought was fully incognito. I never connected it to any other social account, I used a separate email for authentication etc. Just days after the Instagram founders left Facebook I started receiving friend suggestion on my IG that were very very relevant. Those were people I knew in real life and mostly connected via Facebook but not only. I shouldn't…

I've seen this, and concluded that friend suggestions must use GPS to see who I am near on a regular basis.

This is absolutely true, when I moved to London a few years ago, I rented a room in a house with 3 other housemates I had never met.

Within 1-2 days, Facebook recommended one of them as a friend - bear in mind I hadn't added any of them to Fb, so all it could have used was our location...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, that's troubling. Not the fact that they are adding 2FA phone numbers to their collected data, but rather that custom audience is a thing. I thought they were taking pains to limit the ability to directly target individuals. They limited audience size to at least 1000 people previously when doing regular targeting. How is it that I've never heard of custom audience until now?

They limited as targetting to 1,000 people because (a) people were using it in very noticeably creepy ways, highlighting thing FB wanted less attention on and (b) it wasn't making money. Targeting 1 person is not the advertising business. Custom audiences though, is why FB are profitable. The platform before those tools were intriduced (5-8 yes ago) made a lot less.

I am guessing part of the reason that the Instagram co-founders left is that Mark kept adding in all of these "features" to Instagram
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