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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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This is a perfect example of the need for physical comparmentation. Separate devices never connected through the same internet service. As far as devices go, to think you have separated “anything” on only one device, you’re living in fantasyland.

Qubes OS disagrees with you here.

Agreed. From my POV, unless you’re really needing anonymity, I don’t include TOR as a practical solution for day to day needs.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Hopefully? Hopefully this means we will see facebook employees faceing criminal charges!

If it's a corporate decision they won't be liable. "Similarly, individual employees, managers, and directors are liable for their own malfeasance or lawbreaking while acting on behalf of the corporation, but are not generally liable for the corporation's actions." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood#Case_law_... I don't think GDPR has any tooth in this.

It's a corporate decision made way above the heads of the developers, for sure. But, there has been very notable occasions in history when the US and Europe wasn't content with "I was just following orders" as a defense.

And, during at least one of those periods in history, the US was not content with superiors claiming ignorance of any wrong doing either.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

Thanks for the info - didn't think of this angle (i.e. advertising sending a list of numbers to target, and facebook tying that to their cookie ID they have on you). There I was wondering how this works in a browser since browsers don't know your phones number (right?).

> Would you rather use Netflix or Spotify without recommendation engine?

100% yes.

Personally for me the term "personalisation" is becoming a dirty word and I am becoming uneasy when I hear it mentioned in design docs and product launches etc. I dont want to see what some algorithm thinks I want to see. Instead I would prefer to see the real, unfiltered, unfettered data. I think the whole Fake News outcry started me thinking about it in a more deep way.

Imagine if you went into a fancy restaurant for some special occasion and the waiter took a look at you as you walked in and brought you a "special" menu based on some decision they made silently in their own head about what they think you want. Rightly you'd want to see the full menu and not just what they think you want to see. Sure I'd welcome them pointing out some highlights on the menu, but I'd apprecaite seeing the whole thing before making up my own mind.

As a result now I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and have Firefox set up with Google Container[1] to keep the Google cookies separate from everything else (I dont use facebook at all so their cookies are entirely blocked as 3rd party) as well as the usual uBlock Origin, privacy badger et al. I am even toying with the idea of moving away from my gmail that I've been using since 2004/05.

1 - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/google-contai...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay. There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

I'm sure it's possible to advertise without tracking. We did it for years.

I'd whitelist a true advertiser who ditches tracking entirely and focuses more on advertising content relevant to the page it's going on instead. Chances are if I'm looking at some Python programming page or server setup tutorial I'd be more inclined to click on ads relevant to the page as opposed to a creepy ad of something vague as heck that I looked up on Amazon 5 years ago that Amazon really wants to sell, or whatever.

I really would love to see advertisement companies that are less focused on tracking and more focused on ad placement that's relevant to the content it's going on, and hey sometimes there's no relevant ads for content and that's cool too, but at least show anything generic or close enough at that point. Also advertisers who don't do pop ups or annoying ads (that I swear could cause epilepsy on some users) are also good stewards of the online billboard market.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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What if the more relevant ads are robocalls like in this case?

Who is still answering phone calls on their cell from numbers not in their contact book? If you call me and you're not in my phone my phones just dumps you direct to voicemail. Not excuse this behavior in the least, but robo calls in general are a solved problem for me.

> Who is still answering phone calls on their cell from numbers not in their contact book?

Anyone who runs a small business?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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This is exactly the kind of abuse that GDPR is designed to curtail.

Small question: how do you prove it, adequately for a court of law? I imagine that to prove it, you'd have to make several accounts, with several phone numbers, and somehow demonstrate to a judge that the information leaks through. Not an easy task.

The GDPR is not applied by courts, but by regulators, who are tasked with investigating just that sort of thing. Courts may come later, if the company disputes, I think.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

> However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones.

Somehow, the knowledge that the efforts to tie every trace of my existence together to help marketers target ads to me are done in a cryptographically secure fashion is not entirely comforting.

In general, I have been unimpressed with recommendation engines of any sort. Spotify can't suggest music I'd like worth a damn, and it's working within a relatively specific domain. Whatever fractional gains in ad relevance are currently obtained from this aren't worth the privacy invasions needed to obtain them.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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On android, if messenger handles SMS, FB knows how much you have in the bank and your transactions.

having any FB-developed app on your phone is a serious mistake in the first place

It's a mistake many people make just by buying a phone. I had an HTC M8 and liked it except that they made it absolutely impossible to remove FB until I flashed Lineage on to it.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Orwells final warning is chilling and beautiful, in a some kind of perverse metaphorical sense it's strangely relevant to the future of the Brave new world that we are "faced with": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIoAX5bI6S0 edit: typo

George Orwell didn't write Brave New World, though.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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post #84

You'll notice whenever you get the banner to add a phone number for 2FA, it says "add your phone number for additional security and more "

I also hate how all the social media apps want to grab your address book to "see who else you know on here". They all do it.
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