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Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by justinclift »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #15
lozaning wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is still answering phone calls on their cell from numbers not in their contact book? If you call me and you're not in my phone my phones just dumps you direct to voicemail. Not excuse this behavior in the least, but robo calls in general are a solved problem for me.

The answer is many folks depending on lifestyle. But more importantly, increased robocalls seriously means more life interruptions. Work nights? Sleeping while sick? That phone still rings, and there are many reasons to leave the sound on. Direct to voicemail simply doesn't really solve all the issues.

Yeah, I eventually got so sick of spam callers in the UK waking me up that I just got into the habit of leaving the house phone unplugged.

Didn't live in a mobile service area either, so no mobile too. Some parts of that were really good. :)

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by pndy »

yesenadam wrote: post #40

Lately FB says when I go on there "Add a profile pic so people know who you are". Huh? I've always one.

Ha! I'm being constantly nagged whenever I visit fb (to see if those who can't live anymore without it, didn't want something etc.) to update my details - which I removed long ago; among that, they sometimes "suggest" updating new profile pic, which I haven't change since end of 2014 - when I stopped wasting time there

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by boraturant »

As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones.

Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that users might like. Would you rather use Netflix or Spotify without recommendation engine?

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

boraturant wrote: post #74

As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

Speaking as someone who hasn't used facebook in years, I think it's awkward trying to compare it with netflix/spotify. The latter are narrowly-focussed, with a clear target for recommendvertising - i.e. I am viewing a film or listening to music, the case for suggesting another is pretty good, and useful. That's very different from, for example, recommending a product to me when I'm viewing my friends' photos.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by hjek »

boraturant wrote: post #74

As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

I disagree. Blurring the lines between ads and recommendations is super creepy[0].

Anyway, I still upvoted your comment, because it's interesting to read what someone working at FB has to say on this.

[0]: https://readwrite.com/2012/12/11/why-are-dead-people-liking-...

EDIT: Images seem to be missing from the original link, so here is an archived version: https://web.archive.org/web/https://readwrite.com/2012/12/11...

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by snarfy »

anfilt wrote: post #62

Honestly, I hate how many 2FA systems want you to use a phone number. There are other ways that are much better.

Everybody punts security issues from identification to the next guy. Eventually the only safeguard left between you and the bad guys is a minimum wage salesman working at the t-mobile counter. It's sad to know that all of your primary email addresses, with links to online shopping accounts with credit cards, bank accounts, etc, can all be accessed by spoofing your phone number.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by tanto »

anonytrary wrote: post #11

"Give me as much service as you can while keeping me as far off the grid as possible" is a skill that is sorely lacking in this market. I don't have this problem with weed dealers, but I have this problem with information dealers. Internet companies could seriously learn a thing or two from the black market on how you treat your customers.

Does your weed dealer provide the service for free? If you want to be treated as a $$$ paying customer start paying. Problem with social networks and $$$ is that network effects will not come into effect as not everyone will be willing to pay.

There are actually ethical information dealers but they require you to pay them as you are paying your weed dealer.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by jstanley »

boraturant wrote: post #74

As an FB Marketing API developer, this has been available for several years . The way it works, advertisers can send their phone list to FB for ad targeting. However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones. Personally, as long as the user has an opt-out and opt-in options, I don’t think ad targeting is necessarily an unethical pattern, the blurring lines of ads and recommendations would be actually a pattern that user…

> However, phone hashes are sent, not clear ones.

The space of phone numbers is small enough that this is not a significant consideration.

Re: Facebook Is Giving Advertisers Access To Your Shadow Contact Information

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Post by paulie_a »

rickdg wrote: post #45
hnzix wrote: post #4

The reason I never give fb my mobile is if you use a pseudonym account, it will suggest your profile as a friend to anyone who has your mobile in their phone contact list (eg ex-partners, stalkers, employers, drug dealers). Found that one out the hard way. I know Zuck wants me to preemptively upload my nudes, but still.

FB's terms of service do not allow pseudonym accounts.

Do people honestly give a shit about terms of service?
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