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Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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With "sign-in sync" I meant the fact that signing in to a Google service will automatically sign you in to Google Chrome.

But then the feature you mention didn't affect storage if user data.

It's not about storage it's about tracking. If Chrome syncs your web-based login cookie with your Chrome authentication it means they will associate the data your browser generates with your user account. I don't know what they collect there but I assume it's something, as otherwise why bother to log someone in?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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But then the feature you mention didn't affect storage if user data.

It's not about storage it's about tracking. If Chrome syncs your web-based login cookie with your Chrome authentication it means they will associate the data your browser generates with your user account. I don't know what they collect there but I assume it's something, as otherwise why bother to log someone in?

Why does it mean that?

It certainly means that it's possible, but of course it was potentially possible before, and the code is, afaik, open source, so you're free to look and see if they really are.

As for non-tracking reasons why this change: it improves the us for users who use multiple accounts or share accounts on a single system.

Sometimes things are just because they want a more useful product.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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I feel like Advertisement should be a “pull” rather than “push” model. I want to see different vendors when I decide to buy something. But when I’m on Instagram and browsing pictures, please don’t sell me a chef’s knife or a guitar. I have no experience in marketing and advertisement. But from a user standpoint, I want to look through Yellow Pages and Vendor catalogs. Not bombarded with ads all the time. What are you…

Absolutely and you have your preferences. The "pull" model advertising tend to be extremely expensive. For example, search advertising in search engines. That is known as intent driven ads, where user is clearly mentioning their intent. "Push" advertising can work great as long as user is not bombarded with too many ads. Also, ad creative copy needs to be exceptional to make it work. In real work, a good example of "…

>For example, search advertising in search engines. That is known as intent driven ads, where user is clearly mentioning their intent.

Your example is still a "Push" ad. You're pushing your stuff without being asked. Looking for information on a topic is not a request for ads on that topic.

A pull ad would be an ad catalogue, or a website built purely for ads where people would go to explore for new things/services/whatever if, and only if, they wanted to.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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That sounds like a good theory from our comfortable, affluent office chairs... until you think about it for approximately five seconds. Would you rather have the children decide what they should learn in school, or the injured decide how their wound should be dressed? A fundamental aspect of our society's advancement is that we have become specialists: we almost all wear socks but very few of us would know how to mak…

You're literally comparing the decision making skills of lesser financial means to those of child - which strikes me as extremely problematic. To claim that the "us" commenters of HN have some specialized skillset, tuned to consume better media than the rest of the world, absolutely baffles me. Can we agree that mentally stable adult humans, generally, should have some agency and responsibility to choose how they con…

You're putting words in my mouth. My point has nothing to do with someone's relative affluence or poverty. All I'm saying is that in almost all domains, everyone in modern society relies upon the expertise of others. That's equally true for Bill Gates as it is for the homeless person waiting in line at the soup kitchen.

I'm not even going to respond to your second paragraph because it's almost insulting that you thought it necessary to ask.

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If they hadn't perma-stored the cookies, we'd all be pointing out how stupid it is that clearing your cookies logs you out of the browser. This would be clear evidence of what a stupid idea it is to match browser sign-in state to your cookies. There'd probably be a blog post about how Chrome 70 will automatically create fresh Google cookies to keep you logged in to the browser after you delete them.

> This would be clear evidence of what a stupid idea it is to match browser sign-in state to your cookies. It must certainly is a stupid idea.

Agreed. My point is that there's no good cookie retention policy under this design.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#457

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Tell me another joke?

You wanted a company that doesn't sell your information. It would take five minutes to read their privacy policy to confirm this for yourself. Much easier than switching providers.

Ok, let me rephrase that: they monetise on my personal data and online behaviour. Selling the data would mean losing their unique position. Btw, interesting article currently top voted at HN about ex-google employee ;)

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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> maybe other people don't see it that way If the HN backlash is anything to go by, a lot of people see it the same way as you (me included). Every company will act in it's best interest not ours, particularly in the case of Google who are blatantly building out a vision of what they want the web to be for 1 singular purpose: to more closely monitor you for the purpose of selling your online activity to the highest b…

> If the HN backlash is anything to go by, a lot of people see it the same way as you (me included). HN isn't representative of most users of Chrome. I doubt that we qualify as "a lot" to Google. An extremely vocal minority, at best.

you're a techie i'm guessing? How many of your friends/family ask for tech support/advice? There's a serious multiplier effect at work. I'm a high school IT teacher. I influence approx 600 students per year. We now cover online privacy and I will be setting assignments that ask students to investigate and make reasoned arguments about the impact of Google's dominance on their privacy.

Once you annoy enough of the tech literate, word will start to spread. Slowly, then quickly. How do you think Chrome got its foothold to begin with?

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

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It is difficult for me to assess the validity of this statement. I cannot tell if the behaviour is or is not a privacy invasion. What I can tell is that it is not in the direction of greater privacy. That it is not a feature I'd requested, want, or am comfortable with. And it's in line with multiple past trust violations. That Google are announcing walking this back within days of release and publicity suggests some…

>What I can tell is that it is not in the direction of greater privacy For you, it may be a no-op, but for many users, it is a net increase in privacy (people who use multiple accounts or who use accounts on shared computers). >That Google are announcing walking this back Erm, sort of, I guess. There are some small changes.

...for many users...

What numbers, precisely, do you have on this? Because it sounds to me as if you're arguing from a position of ignorance.

There might be some benefit to the small number of users who 1) have multiple devices and 2) share one or more of those amongst several other people in the same account in ways that this Chrome feature ... might address. But this doesn't strike me as some overwhelmingly large use case.

The system for user separation on shared computers is called ... user accounts. Which every mainstream consumer operating system has supported for the past 17 years (Windows XP being the latecomer to this game.)

Otherwise, this is a broadening of Google's ever-expanding ingestion of user data, either directly or by way of one more (or an incremental series of) "small change". If I notice my enemy maneuvering me to his advantage, I counter that maneuver. In my case, it's meant uninstalling Chrome and Chromium from any systems on which that's possible.

(My much-regretted purchase some years ago of an Android tablet being the primary exception, though I'm resolved to not repeat that mistake, despite a dire lack of viable market options presently. Purism and Ubuntu may be nearing useful products.)

...small changes...

In the Universe in which I inhabit, Google specifically addressed user feedback and sign-in changes. I cannot find your characterisation of their announcement as accurate under any charitable interpretation.

Re: Product Updates Based on Your Feedback

#460

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>What I can tell is that it is not in the direction of greater privacy For you, it may be a no-op, but for many users, it is a net increase in privacy (people who use multiple accounts or who use accounts on shared computers). >That Google are announcing walking this back Erm, sort of, I guess. There are some small changes.

...for many users... What numbers, precisely, do you have on this? Because it sounds to me as if you're arguing from a position of ignorance. There might be some benefit to the small number of users who 1) have multiple devices and 2) share one or more of those amongst several other people in the same account in ways that this Chrome feature ... might address. But this doesn't strike me as some overwhelmingly large u…

I don't have that data on hand, but the chrome team apparently does.

Certainly, for you or I, user accounts (and incognito windows) solve most of the problems that this change fixed. But most users aren't you or I.

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