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People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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Is this Generational Equity ( http://www.genequityco.com/Conferences.aspx )? PS: Ryan, is putting a big HN submit button and begging for an upvote a little too much, or is it how "the games needs to be played"? edit: more stuff from the disclaimer from Generational Equity seminar, that I really hate (of course it's in small print). See how well it matches the post: Generational Equity does accept clients or customers…

Confirming it here would probably open him up to just as many potential legal pitfalls.

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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I'd be curious who actually gets taken by scams like this. I know 2 kinds of people who own businesses, those who worked their butts off for years building them themselves and those who inherited them from their parents. I've noticed a disproportionate number of the inheritors who have taken family money that took 40 years to amass and have lost it in a year or two. Founders and builders that I know seem to be much m…

Entrepreneurs of all stripes can get taken by scams like this. Often times they are not "scams" per se, just very overpriced services. Like agile programmering groups charging $200/hr and delivering worse code than the in-house teams. I've worked for four boot-strapped-then-venture-funded startups and ALL of the founders at these startups have fallen for something like this at one point. It's pretty easy to fall for this. Startups are very frustrating and stressful, so when your in-house guys are telling you it's going to take 4 months to do something and some external guys are telling you it's only going to take them 1, you WANT to believe the external guys. And hey, they have the balls to ask for $200/hr, so they must be able to pull it off, right?

There are also legitimate scams, like life coaching or various overpriced seminars or "consulting" from "strategists." I won't comment on these as there seems to be a strong internet entrepreneurial contingent who thinks this stuff is very valuable. I'm also pretty sure my founder friends who have paid out the nose for stuff like this would claim it was worth the money, so I don't really know what to say, here.

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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OK, I'll be the contrarian here but although their pricing/compensation structure is off for a small entrepreneur, I don't see anything morally wrong with the concept of this type of business.

There are many business owners who want to sell for a variety of reasons -- divorce, need a large amount of cash, tired of running the business, etc...

Almost every entrepreneur has a "price" at which he'd be willing to sell. If this consulting business changed around their pricing scheme and took a percent cut of a successful sale, where everything was transparent, there are many people who would find value in this.

For a smalltime entrepreneur, of course it doesn't make sense to drop $30k on the HOPE that these guys find a buyer. However, if your company is making $1M in profit per year, it may well be worth MORE than $30k upfront to hire well-connected brokers to get multiple parties to bid up a purchase price for your company.

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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Is this Generational Equity ( http://www.genequityco.com/Conferences.aspx )? PS: Ryan, is putting a big HN submit button and begging for an upvote a little too much, or is it how "the games needs to be played"? edit: more stuff from the disclaimer from Generational Equity seminar, that I really hate (of course it's in small print). See how well it matches the post: Generational Equity does accept clients or customers…

Confirming it here would probably open him up to just as many potential legal pitfalls.

I'd expect a sly wink of a response that would serve as cover.

Something like, "I've seen that website before, but I can't comment on whether they're the ones who contacted me."

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Confirming it here would probably open him up to just as many potential legal pitfalls.

I'd expect a sly wink of a response that would serve as cover. Something like, "I've seen that website before, but I can't comment on whether they're the ones who contacted me."

GW Equity is a master at SEO optimization, I'm really impressed. If you google "Generational Equity scam", then you find plenty of juicy stuff. But if you had just googled their name, Google shows you 3 pages of links that are all variations on their name, obviously designed to obfuscate good results. Really, it's worth a look. Where can I report SEO abuse to Google?

Read for instance: http://www.acquisitionadvisors.com/ma-blog/2009/03/another-b...

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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There will always be hustlers a-plenty ready to exploit entrepreneurs.

A few examples from my years working in Silicon Valley from the legal side (where, unfortunately, a lot of this crops up):

In the days when founders were generally less informed than they are today, I would often see them fall prey to "consultants" who would promise to open doors to funding and the like in exchange for a significant equity stake in their venture, only to show themselves to be nothing but B.S.ers.

I have seen lower-tier VCs who cared not a whit about their reputations take control, fire the founders and do a 100 to 1 reverse stock split in exchange for modest additional funding, reducing the entire equity holdings of the founders to less than 1% of the company in one fell swoop.

I have seen founders sell in acquisitions, take their full compensation in the form equity in the acquirer that had to vest over 4 years but without acceleration protection in the event of termination without cause, be told that "we wouldn't do this unless we wanted you to succeed," and then get fired within a few months as the acquiring company took years' worth of work from them for what amounted to a pittance.

I have seen a young founder build up incredible value in a new venture and, after a few years of devoting everything to it and building nice revenues, take in a "partner" who was a "player" in Silicon Valley, only to have that person maneuver him down from an initial 100% ownership stake to 50% to 5% and, finally, when a $30M buyout is about to happen, grant to himself massive amounts of additional stock (all for bogus reasons) to put the original founder under 1% right on the eve of the acquisition.

I could go on and on but the lesson in all of these is that entrepreneurs should always be vigilant to ensure that the deals they do are prudent and do not expose them to this sort of exploitation - it can come at you from all sides.

Very nice piece, by the way, Ryan - I find your posts consistently insightful.

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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post #17

There will always be hustlers a-plenty ready to exploit entrepreneurs. A few examples from my years working in Silicon Valley from the legal side (where, unfortunately, a lot of this crops up): In the days when founders were generally less informed than they are today, I would often see them fall prey to "consultants" who would promise to open doors to funding and the like in exchange for a significant equity stake i…

It's hard to imagine a nicer compliment. Thank you very much :)

Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd expect a sly wink of a response that would serve as cover. Something like, "I've seen that website before, but I can't comment on whether they're the ones who contacted me."

GW Equity is a master at SEO optimization, I'm really impressed. If you google "Generational Equity scam", then you find plenty of juicy stuff. But if you had just googled their name, Google shows you 3 pages of links that are all variations on their name, obviously designed to obfuscate good results. Really, it's worth a look. Where can I report SEO abuse to Google? Read for instance: http://www.acquisitionadvisors.…

Google's suggestions sure seem to paint a clear picture though.. Shame the suggestions are at the bottom and not the top in this case:

  Searches related to Generational Equity
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Re: People who destroy entrepreneurial value are the scum of the earth

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I'd be curious who actually gets taken by scams like this. I know 2 kinds of people who own businesses, those who worked their butts off for years building them themselves and those who inherited them from their parents. I've noticed a disproportionate number of the inheritors who have taken family money that took 40 years to amass and have lost it in a year or two. Founders and builders that I know seem to be much m…

Well, this is just like those casting call businesses that say they'll get you acting/extra/model work. Of course, you've got to pay them a big fee for representation and and overpriced head shot...

You tend to get less than you put in.

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