It's ironical that websites implement GDPR compliance using cookies.
Unintended Consequences: How the GDPR Can Undermine Privacy
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Dude, Spotify is a song streaming service. Holding on to song history is one of the features they offer. Lyft and Uber are taxi services. Holding on to history is a feature. Go start your own privacy car if you want. I’m not in favour of this world where you privacy first people want all these features removed from applications I use.
Or, better yet, why don't those companies ask before keeping all this data?
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before the cookie law websites did not have annoying useless cookie popups though, so it's an unintended consequence
No, it's more the bratty kid on the playground who isn't getting their way, so they're throwing a fit and threatening to take their ball and go home.
Avoiding big fines isn't throwing a fit.
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#24There's a better solution: Stop collecting and keeping personal data. I can't even read this article without using firefox reader mode to skip the cookie warning / prompt (this works for a lot of sites!). That's a choice that techdirt make. By framing it as an unavoidable consequence of the cookie legislation or GDPR moves the focus to the wrong place.
Collecting data subsidizes the cost of the service. Would facebook have 1 billion users if it cost $5.99 a month? Data collection is not going anywhere, so long as people are willing (even unknowingly) to give up info for a perceived discount. Now here - fill out my form with your address, email, phone, photo id, and passport number for a chance to win a brand new 2019 Honda!
Well Facebook makes about $1.50 per year per user. So they could charge a lot less than almost $6 per month, but it would be harder to capture that money.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's more the bratty kid on the playground who isn't getting their way, so they're throwing a fit and threatening to take their ball and go home.
Avoiding big fines isn't throwing a fit.
I agree. For all that people say there is nothing to worry about, these are fines that would be levied by foreign governments so a company may not really have insight to how likely it is they will be fined.
It's a lot easier for a government to fine a foreign corp than to fine a local one whose workers are all voters and tax payers.
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Yeah, dude, if I know users are going to not penalize me for this and the government is going to fine me 250k a day for it, I’m going to put it up. That isn’t lazy. That’s just time optimization. No one’s going to fine me for blanket adding the feature so that’s fine.
You lose money when everyone browsing in incognito/tor/cookie-blocking sessions gets the damned cookie warning every visit, and eventually tires of your site's nagging and goes somewhere else. Or maybe you don't, maybe those users had 17 ad blockers and you don't lose a dime, but it certainly hurts your company's goodwill to have less eyeballs. If users don't bounce, is that based on short-term or long-term research?
If a site I use regularly has an annoying cookie warning, I just use uBlock Origin's element picker to hide it. I wonder how narrow the set of users are who care enough to block cookies but can't easily disable the warning.
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#27TL;DR, someone who has gained access to your account can also download your account history. It's like complaining that someone who "hacks" into your email account can download all your email.
E2E encryption of email by a client-controlled key avoids this problem.
The encrypted archive remains accessible, but actually reading it requires a key only the client holds. This neutralises most email account phishing attacks.
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#28There's a better solution: Stop collecting and keeping personal data. I can't even read this article without using firefox reader mode to skip the cookie warning / prompt (this works for a lot of sites!). That's a choice that techdirt make. By framing it as an unavoidable consequence of the cookie legislation or GDPR moves the focus to the wrong place.
Dude, Spotify is a song streaming service. Holding on to song history is one of the features they offer. Lyft and Uber are taxi services. Holding on to history is a feature. Go start your own privacy car if you want. I’m not in favour of this world where you privacy first people want all these features removed from applications I use.
They keep quite a bit more than what you see on the surface, or what would be needed for the simplest definition of play history https://twitter.com/steipete/status/1025024813889478656
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before the cookie law websites did not have annoying useless cookie popups though, so it's an unintended consequence
No, it's more the bratty kid on the playground who isn't getting their way, so they're throwing a fit and threatening to take their ball and go home.
There's a lot of bratty kids then, most of the articles linked to by hacker news are on sites with cookie warnings for example. Not sure if those are visible in the US, but in the EU they are, and they are very annoying
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#30Who can come up with these stories? Like saying that if you let someone hack your email and download all your emails its the providers fault. These unknowingly ignorant media superstars of today.. Cheeze.