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WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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Come. On. You don’t get to that kind of valuation with a basically free product without ad targeting. An accelerated vesting clause is not an assurance. If they wanted assurances they could have made it a condition of the deal, ok? They didn’t. Accelerated vesting just means they were telegraphing that they wanted to leave before the shit hit the fan.

Pre-Facebook, WhatsApp's monetization strategy has been to charge users a nominal fee for usage ($1/year). And $1/yr with 1B users doesn't justify the price tag for Facebook. So Facebook wanted to introduce advertising. PS: I'd be happy to pay them $1/month because a significant part of my communication happens over WhatsApp. The challenge is $1/month is probably too pricey for most of their user base.

If you think that even the friction alone of charging $1/yr isn't enough to shove the vast majority of users off the app, you haven't been paying attention to consumer expectations.

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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> At a meeting over the issue he said Zuckerberg also told him: “This is probably the last time you’ll ever talk to me.” I realize this was probably said in fruatration, but I think it paints a pretty clear picture of Zuckerberg's arrogance and entitlement.

This. I'd always assumed Zuck was like this, great to see some confirmation that my expectations for him weren't too low.

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You must be either the most naieve person on the planet or a complete moron to sell your company to an advertising company and not expect them to put advertising in your product. Of course he wasn’t noble enough to turn down the money in the first place and turn his product into a big buisness by himself. WhatsApp was literally just a user grab based on a ToDo list app idea released at the right time. Guy should spen…

> You must be either the most naieve person on the planet or a complete moron to sell your company to an advertising company and not expect them to put advertising in your product.

I know both Acton & Koum from Yahoo!. To describe either as "naive" or "a complete moron" is ridiculous. If that is the depth of your thought, it would explain why you're writing angry comments on a message board while they are retired billionaires.

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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You must be either the most naieve person on the planet or a complete moron to sell your company to an advertising company and not expect them to put advertising in your product. Of course he wasn’t noble enough to turn down the money in the first place and turn his product into a big buisness by himself. WhatsApp was literally just a user grab based on a ToDo list app idea released at the right time. Guy should spen…

> Of course he wasn’t noble enough to turn down the money in the first place and turn his product into a big buisness by himself.

That has nothing to do with nobility.

So now Snapchat's founders are noble? They did those things you mentioned and your wording is a far cry from their reputation.

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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> At a meeting over the issue he said Zuckerberg also told him: “This is probably the last time you’ll ever talk to me.” I realize this was probably said in fruatration, but I think it paints a pretty clear picture of Zuckerberg's arrogance and entitlement.

I think that's a reasonable position in response from an employee trying to "activate a clause written into their contract to allow them to immediately get all their stock if the company began “implementing monetization initiatives” without their consent" . Now whether or not he was in the right to demand it, when actually doing so I doubt anyone expected to have a working relationship after that.

Why would you agree to a contract with that clause if you aren't prepared for it to be invoked?

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>> What year would it be ok to be naive enough to think that any for profit company’s main motivation is not to make as much money possible? > There is such a thing as business ethics. > Facebook's complete disregard for them should not be the norm, even if it, sadly, might be more often than not. It's alarming how businesses' lack of business ethics is getting normalized by comments like the grandparent's. We should…

How do we as individuals “require” companies to be ethical? At the end of the day, we don’t have the power to enforce ethics. We have to work within the framework of reality and get everything in writing.

Boycott them and don't purchase or use their products.

If you feel strongly about it go further and organize more people to do the same. Try to convince people who don't feel the company is unethical that it is.

But in the end you can't expect because you don't like a company that your feelings on what should happen to come to be.

It's like so many people complaining on Twitter about Twitter not banning voices they don't like. If you don't like Twitter's policies then stop using their product. If enough people agree with you and do this they will change. If you feel it's worth spending your life organizing people to boycott Twitter then spend your life doing that. But the culture of demanding that platforms must adhere to someones arbitrary expectations as if using their platform is a right is ridiculous.

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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> At a meeting over the issue he said Zuckerberg also told him: “This is probably the last time you’ll ever talk to me.” I realize this was probably said in fruatration, but I think it paints a pretty clear picture of Zuckerberg's arrogance and entitlement.

I think that's a reasonable position in response from an employee trying to "activate a clause written into their contract to allow them to immediately get all their stock if the company began “implementing monetization initiatives” without their consent" . Now whether or not he was in the right to demand it, when actually doing so I doubt anyone expected to have a working relationship after that.

But he must have signed of on the contract, so he would know it could happen? Why act all offended by it? Especially since Facebook's agenda seem pretty clear-cut: put ads into WhatsApp

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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Consider that turning down the very very large offer would also have meant turning down the money for his hard working employees. Not such a simple choice. But, as he openly acknowledges, he did sell out to a terrible company.

Facebook is no worse than any other advertising company. Social media is just an unremitting cesspool, and any company based on it has a high likelihood of encountering the wall of toxicity. But if you think Facebook is bad, Google, owner of literally every facet of your technological life, has all of the data on you that Facebook has and more. The only difference is that Google made less PR mistakes, and when people…

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Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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I feel like I'm coming across more of these "exit, then atone" profiles and none of them seem to have any teeth. They read like self-help articles for the ultra-rich: "Broken moral compass keeping you up at night? Try driving a Honda Odyssey."

I get it; you took the money. I'd sure as hell take the money. One anecdote about sniping at Sheryl Sandberg is washed away by this milquetoast sentiment:

“It was like, okay, well, you want to do these things I don’t want to do,” Acton says. “It’s better if I get out of your way. And I did.”

Re: WhatsApp Cofounder Brian Acton on Why He Left $850M Behind

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> At a meeting over the issue he said Zuckerberg also told him: “This is probably the last time you’ll ever talk to me.” I realize this was probably said in fruatration, but I think it paints a pretty clear picture of Zuckerberg's arrogance and entitlement.

It’s clear from his testimony in front of Congress that dealing with people isn’t his fortay.

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