There's a gentlemen's agreement between nations that this is permissible for poor nations. China is no longer poor and now must act like a wealthy nation and accept IP laws.
How China Systematically Pries Technology from U.S. Companies
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#12And so what??? The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they're too poor to afford paying them. Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don't have the luxury of givi…
The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK
This is the sort of argument that an eight-year-old makes to his mother, and the mother responds, "If Jimmy jumped off a bridge, would you?"
I don't know if you're an American or not, but there's an very common expression: Two wrongs don't make a right.
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#13And so what??? The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they're too poor to afford paying them. Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don't have the luxury of givi…
Even when they have more billionaires than the US? And who's doing the spying - some poor factory worker?
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#14Ah poor DuPont, who will think of the little and weak most powerful chemical company in the world. Oh the humanity.
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#15Technology transfer is not coerced if a company enters into a a contract to transfer technology in exchange for a payment, income that's related to sales, or licensing fees.
Listen to what the Qualcomm CEO said when a CNBC reporter asked whether China was stealing its technology:
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#16The behavior they describe is exactly how every industrialized nation has become industrialized (except for UK). There is no way to develop a technologically advanced nation if you respect artificially imposed barriers such as patents, which by their very nature cannot be effectively enforced in foreign countries.
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#17And so what??? The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they're too poor to afford paying them. Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don't have the luxury of givi…
In some ways, you can't blame China for trying. It's playing dirty, but that's how international relations go.
You can place a bit more blame on the US companies that let it happen. The people running them are short-sighted and unpatriotic.
The real problem is that the law allows companies to be in a race to the bottom that is ultimately self-destructive. Allowing non-citizens to get access to the IP should be illegal. If it were, then bringing that IP to a location controlled by China's contradictory law would be a violation.
You can't fully stop spies, but you sure can make it illegal to simply hand things over without a fight.
Samuel Slater is a fine example. He was a spy. He broke the law. The USA would have gotten the technology years earlier if the UK had simply handed it over. Picture that: the USA demands that textile factories be built in the USA, as joint partnerships with technology transfer. The UK wasn't that stupid.
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#18Whataboutism. edit: If someone is using whataboutism (as the person I'm responding to is) there is no real argument to respond to. Any modern day atrocity can be justified by saying that it was done in the past by a different nation. Saying that the US had done something in the past to justify a different countries' present day actions is intellectually lazy and dishonest and is meant to shut down discussion. I was j…
Invoking whataboutism is not a defense against hypocrisy.
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#19And so what??? The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK, check the history of Samuel Slater[1]. Same happened for Japan under Meiji restoration. India and Brazil do the same for pharmaceutical patents, because they're too poor to afford paying them. Stealing IP will happen, no matter what treaties and governments try to do. For poor countries it is a path they just don't have the luxury of givi…
The US pried the textile and locomotives industries from the UK This is the sort of argument that an eight-year-old makes to his mother, and the mother responds, "If Jimmy jumped off a bridge, would you?" I don't know if you're an American or not, but there's an very common expression: Two wrongs don't make a right.
Isn't this "whataboutism"? You shut down a conversation by trying to deflect about how others have also done something?
Like you said, two wrongs don't make a right. Just by pointing out this has happened elsewhere doesn't make the conversation about China doing it any less important or relevant. Why shut down this conversation?
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#20Every time you see a news post about a tech company "partnering" with a Chinese company, you should be thinking they were forced to do that. This has been going on for many years, but it became much more of a "rule" in China since a couple of years ago. It's when most of the large American tech companies started announcing "joint ventures" with Chinese firms almost in unison. However, tech companies seem to be more t…
I understand that the scope and scale of the technology transfer agreements may be unreasonable, but surely these foreign companies aren't "forced" to oblige? I'm not sure if it's on China that many companies find it more profitable to have access to the Chinese market than to hold on to their IPs.