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Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by chasinglogic »

pimlottc wrote: post #39
Tistel wrote: post #33

My hat is off to Larry E. with respect to his business prowess. But. ding ding ding. alarm bells. Run away. Don't mess with that guy. The dude owns an island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanai https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-04-13/four-seas... Stick with free/open source. Vendor lock in is a nightmare. edited for clarity.

You should clarify that you are referring to Larry Ellison, the head of Oracle, and not Stephen Colebourne, author of the article.

Exactly the misconception that I had

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by nsmith14 »

Tistel wrote: post #33

My hat is off to Larry E. with respect to his business prowess. But. ding ding ding. alarm bells. Run away. Don't mess with that guy. The dude owns an island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanai https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-04-13/four-seas... Stick with free/open source. Vendor lock in is a nightmare. edited for clarity.

The dude owns an island, so he obviously can't be trusted. It follows reason.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by pjmlp »

lowry wrote: post #34
pjmlp wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When did Red-Hat hired all Oracle developers working on OpenJDK?

They have quite a few developers working on OpenJDK

Yes they do, but the large majority are Oracle employees, which many seem to keep forgetting.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by raverbashing »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #21
wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

> I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer Really ? What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? Do Go appservers exist that offer all the features that something like Payara (Glassfish), JBoss or WebSphere does ?

> What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ?

I consider not having a suffocating bureaucratic "framework" that can be replaced by simpler and more straightforward constructs most of the time a feature and not a bug

But those that grow up under a bureaucracy tend to miss it

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by ilikehurdles »

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

Why does Go not have updates? Has Go been abandoned?

This is an LTS release. It will be available for more than a few months.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by randomsearch »

ofrzeta wrote: post #27
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer Really ? What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? Do Go appservers exist that offer all the features that something like Payara (Glassfish), JBoss or WebSphere does ?

What's the point of J2EE or an application server? You can get functionality such as templates, management, monitoring, persistence through other means as well.

Think the point is that the Java ecosystem is vastly greater than Go. And ecosystem mattes.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by mxuribe »

Tistel wrote: post #33

My hat is off to Larry E. with respect to his business prowess. But. ding ding ding. alarm bells. Run away. Don't mess with that guy. The dude owns an island: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanai https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2016-04-13/four-seas... Stick with free/open source. Vendor lock in is a nightmare. edited for clarity.

The only people who "own islands" are James Bond-type villains, right? Right?

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by ilikehurdles »

raverbashing wrote: post #44
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer Really ? What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? Do Go appservers exist that offer all the features that something like Payara (Glassfish), JBoss or WebSphere does ?

> What is the Go equivalent of J2EE ? I consider not having a suffocating bureaucratic "framework" that can be replaced by simpler and more straightforward constructs most of the time a feature and not a bug But those that grow up under a bureaucracy tend to miss it

The parent said Go has all that Java has to offer. I would be surprised if the standard library was in the same magnitude of size.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by Leace »

floatboth wrote: post #9

> Download Oracle JDK (because that is what you've always done, and it is what the web-search tells you) What I've always done is install OpenJDK from the system's package manager :P

And that's good that package managers ship only openjdk. When I migrated to Linux I didn't know better but as "openjdk" was easier to install than Oracle JDK I used "openjdk". It turns out it works very well, actually I can't tell the difference.

Re: Oracle’s Java 11 trap

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Post by pharaohgeek »

wheresvic1 wrote: post #16

I'm not sure Java is worth the effort at this point. If I'm going to have to keep updating every 6 months, I would rather use Go, which seems to have all that Java has to offer + the backing of a huge corporation.

Personally, I wish Swift had a larger server-side ecosystem around it. I love the language, and some of the new web app frameworks (Vapor, Perfect, Kitura, etc.) are really great. However, there just aren't as many open-source, third-party libraries as there are for Java. To me, that's really Java's strength. There are libraries or clients for EVERYTHING.
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