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Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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Because they want your data in exchange for access to the service they provide? I get it, it's frustrating as hell, but I can understand their perspective.

Yes, a simple take it or leave it situation. There are alternatives. I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.

> I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.

Maybe it's because they created a situation where it's nearly impossible to avoid "their" software because it's integrated into the product the user actually paid for.

If you buy an Android phone you don't buy bare metal. That's not how Android phones are marketed and it's not how Google wants Android phones to be perceived. An Android phone is a device with Google Play, Google Maps and Google Search integrated into the operating system and providing core services. That's how Google wants you to think about Android and it's in their best interest for you to do so.

From a customer point of view, Google Maps is part of the Android device's core functionality. From a marketer's point of view, it's the same. From Google's point of view, it's also the same.

But although Google Maps itself has great offline functionality and in theory only needs online access for map data, traffic information and optimised routing, Google plays bait and switch by demanding you consent to being spied on in order to actually use it.

Sure, it's their software and they can do what they want but customer rights exist, privacy rights exist and competition law exists. They're being intentionally deceitful and maliciously abuse their position to coerce users into giving consent for providing Google with far more data than they need to provide the service.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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post #153
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On Android there's also the constant nagging to turn on GPS every time you open the app just to check the opening hours of some business. Super frustrating.

Because it's a map app.

Weird. I remember a time when maps were printed on paper and somehow worked as references without a satellite connection.

I also remember having used Google Maps to look up routes between two places while I was underground and GPS didn't work and my current location was indicated as being miles away from where I was.

It's almost like GPS is not actually required for anything other than indicating your current location.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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Yes, a simple take it or leave it situation. There are alternatives. I don't get people getting mad because a private corp is doing something with their own software.

What choices? And I mean ones that people would actually use or know about? Apple Maps is basically it, and it's only one one platform. Bing Maps...maybe? But Google has an effective monopoly on consumer based maps.

HERE WeGo (formerly Nokia Maps) is ok for car navigation. Citymapper is nice if you need public transport. OsmAnd is decent as well.

I do think Google Maps is the best, but the choices exist, and for some cases they work even better.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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post #41

On Android there's also the constant nagging to turn on GPS every time you open the app just to check the opening hours of some business. Super frustrating.

A maps app wanting to show the current location upon startup - isn't that to be expected?

No. Most times I use a maps app it doesn't need my location. Let it ask only when I explicitly ask for directions from my location, or when I click on the "center on my location" button.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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I wonder how many people have died in car accidents while trying to type their home address because of this while driving.

Not even joking, I rear ended someone while trying to dismiss the "USE OUR APP" popup that comes when you navigate via maps.google.com instead of the phone app.

If I had a paid click for every time youtube has asked me to switch to their shitty tab-less app..

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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But the funny part is Google keep your saved addresses. It only block the access. If you have your home and/or work address set in Gmaps, and you disable all tracking in myactivity.google.com. The address will disappear and GMaps will invite you to reactive App and Web tracking. If you do it, your saved addresses will reappear. This is slightly dodgy.

> This is slightly dodgy. It is punitive. They are (and are within their rights to) withholding value because you aren't giving them what they want, which is mineable activity information. I notice that there are always cartoons of happy users getting additional useful features from their services when tracking is enbled, but never cute cartoons of the other actors extracting value based upon advertising etc. Truth I…

I completely understand, it's in their right, absolutely.

However, once you disable the tracking, the UI no longer show the address and even say "Set location" under Home address and Work address. This let you think that Google doesn't have this information, which is false. This makes me feel like Google got info about me and I can't use it. I find this part dodgy. Once you disable a setting it should be clearer that data is not deleted.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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post #168

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People are paying $1000+ for Pixel phones. I think that should cover the cost of an alarm app.

The thing is, you don't only need an alternative for the alarm app if you want to get rid of GApps. The hidden costs of apps Google gives you for "free" is probably above $1,000. I guess the majority would give away their privacy for that amount these days.

Do you find it likely that Google is earning over $1,000 from each user? How are they getting that? I'd say the real cost is probably a couple of orders of magnitude lower.

Re: Google Maps won't let you save home address without allowing all Google tracking

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post #96

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People are paying $1000+ for Pixel phones. I think that should cover the cost of an alarm app.

Alarm apps don't need tracking. Asking Google Assistant to set an alarm needs tracking. I wish there was a SaaS application which provided assistant capabilities by a monthly subscription. You can see all the data stored, you own the data the service just creates models to enable use. And you could stop the subscription which wipes all the data including the models. Perhaps some startup founder is reading this?

I'm expecting good things from Snips; they're already build a device like Alexa that runs all recognition locally: https://air.snips.ai/

Making an Android frontend seems easy enough.

(You can also DIY by installing Home Assistant and Snips on a Raspberry Pi or other computer)

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