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How to Push Past the Pain, as the Champions Do

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Re: How to Push Past the Pain, as the Champions Do

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

I think you are right edw519. I tried to push myself beyond the pain threshold once and instead I got a fracture. I think the caveat is that you have to be in good shape before you start pushing your pain threshold.

For programmers/entrepreneurs, this may translate to pushing past your concentration/sleep/tenacity threshold.

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

Pain is an interesting thing. When you first feel pain, it's scary and, usually rightly so, is the body telling the mind to stop something. The problem is that in order to get better in most athletic endeavors, athletes must push their bodies into an area that often causes some sort of pain[1].

A couple things eventually happen. First is the athlete starts to associate pain with progress. This is actually a bad thing since pain should always remain as valid feedback and signal a person to think about the actions they are taking. Second and more import is that the athlete accepts the pain and deals with it. Like most things in life, it sucks a lot more until you know what to expect. For example, getting punched in the face causes pain, but more than that it causes surprise. Remove that surprise and even if the pain is the same, the athlete will now react in a more sensible way from the punch.

For reference, I don't do any long distance (5k is what I maintain) running but have always played various sports, trained in MA, and primarily powerlift now (at least until the ski slopes open!).

[1] After experiencing all sorts of pain over the years there are definitely good pains and bad pains. IMHO, it takes time and experience to recognize what pains are what :)

Re: How to Push Past the Pain, as the Champions Do

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

I don't think they're contradictory at all. As you gain more and more fitness you'll have to work harder to get to the pain. As you experience more pain you become somewhat more comfortable with it and can tolerate more of it over time.

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

You want to get the pain. But no matter how much your mind wants the pain, your body will be screaming at you to stop. In a way your pain threshold is less of "the point where you can't take anymore pain" but rather "the point where you stopped last time".

An athlete's relationship to pain is ridiculously complex. Partly because pain is so complex, and really should be split out in different concepts/words. Adjectives are just so clumsy. For example, high performance athletes must learn to differentiate the pain of training from the pain of injury. It is possible to push too hard, to suck up too much pain. But it's also possible to be too tentative. Striking that balance is what keeps high performance athletes healthy, but always improving (something I have big problems with).

I cannot speak for everyone, but when I and some of the more competitive athletes I am friends with go to train, we want the pain. Going into training, we look forward to the burn. We know that it's good, that it signals progress, that it will fade, and that it means that we are better. But once we get into the training, all the love and craving doesn't change the fact that your legs are dying and lungs are on fire and arms don't want to move. The love by itself will not keep you going on. You have to push through that pain. The fact that you were pumped up 5 minutes ago doesn't mean anything in the moment.

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They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

You want to get the pain. But no matter how much your mind wants the pain, your body will be screaming at you to stop. In a way your pain threshold is less of "the point where you can't take anymore pain" but rather "the point where you stopped last time". An athlete's relationship to pain is ridiculously complex. Partly because pain is so complex, and really should be split out in different concepts/words. Adjective…

That's something I tell people who aren't used to training: you have to learn to tell the difference between good pain (you're working hard, so it's hard going) and bad pain (you're injured and if you don't stop it's going to get worse).

The fact that you were pumped up 5 minutes ago doesn't mean anything in the moment.

A thousand times yes.

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

> and trained with some of the best. If you don't mind me asking, what were your PRs? I got lapped on a mile in high school (the guy ran a sub-5!) Have you read Once a Runner? Was that what your training life was like? Interesting offshoot - The whole point of training 20 hours a week for the Ironman triathlon (2.4 mile swim, 112 mile bike, 26.2 mile marathon) is so that the body never goes anaerobic during the actua…

PRs: 5K 14:53, 10K XC: 30:29 all from college.

Nothing fancy compared to people I trained with.

I've read Once a Runner a long time ago. Training life is similar - it's all consuming really. In many ways it's like a job and a way of life.

Since I gave up running and got on with my life, I still train and compete competitively - even low key competition is enough to keep things interesting and motivating even though it's not the way of life it used to be.

I don't recommend that people do marathons actually. I've done 3 and they take such a tremendous effort to recover from that a lot of people just stay on the couch and don't start running again.

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I was a competitive runner for many years and trained with some of the best. The difference between great runners and cyclists and everybody else is that they learn to tolerate pain - a lot of it - on a regular basis. They crave pain and can push their pain threshold far beyond what normal people would be able to tolerate. If you've ever seen a great runner working out - it's almost painful to even watch - but always…

They crave pain and can push their pain threshold... These two things seems contradictory. If they crave pain, why would they need to push their pain threshold? (Disclosure: I'm a wimpy athlete. I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong, so I backed off. Your remark confuses me even more. Just trying to understand.)

> I always thought pain was the body's signal that something was wrong

I have heard it said that "pain is the feeling of weakness leaving the body".

It's a signal that your body is under stress, but that can be a good thing. One of the keys is understanding the difference between the pain of "I'm stretching my capabilities" and the pain of "I'm damaging something".

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I think there is a comparison to be made about pushing past the monotonous work required to launch a product.

I'd say its worse. At least when running you have endorphins and hormones to help you out over the course of your few hours of "pain". Launching a product involves months or more of numbing drudgery, self-doubt and incertitude about whether a finish-line even exists, with coffee the pitiful substitute pick-me-up. Try that, runners!

Re: How to Push Past the Pain, as the Champions Do

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The nyt should add some disclaimer to that kind of article, knowing people with little experience in elite sports would read it and maybe try to learn from it!

I did two sports on national elite level and whenever you train or race beyond the "threshold" you put yourself into great danger, and only because you spend years near that threshold you are able to handle it. An elite runner or cyclist or whatever can tell the difference between pain that will go away when you slow down, and pain that will get worse or could put you into a wheelchair. When elite sportsmen(-women) loose control because of any thirdparty event, even when in unbearable pain, they have a high chance to regain control because they don't think about how they do it, it just happens. It's not a coincidence, that those people walk away from a crash, where hobby sportsmen loose there life. (Remember Lance going through the grass at the TdF ~6 years ago?)

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