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Re: The reverse job applicant

#51

The form validation error messages are interesting, too :-) In case Andrew Horner reads this: yes, I'm one of the people (assuming there are more such curious folks) that filled in junk info to take a peek at those error messages. Sorry!

* Nice try at anonymity, but I'm going to need a name.

* Oh, you're unemployed too?

* Not sure how you expect me to respond without this.

* Maybe I'm just old-fashioned, but that doesn't seem like an actual e-mail address.

* Let's not take any chances here.

* You're either a terrible typist or a poor listener. Make sure your email address matches in both fields.

* Hey, if you don't know what to call the job, I'm not sure I want to be doing it.

* SOUNDS INTERESTING. Wait, you didn't write anything here.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#53
post #8

I love it. Sincerely, i can say this, that if i was in a position to, i'd definitely hire you. But i have something of interest to impart to you. Im from a background of arranged marriages (yes, im ok with it) and my parents are currently looking for a suitor for me. I've been rejected by ALOT of girls, and have been through almost the exact same thought process as you. I'd gotten to the point of grovelling, being co…

Deffo write an article about it. I'm sure HN would like to hear more about your culture. I know I would.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#54

This is a nice idea, with one big BUT. Not to rain on the parade here, but you've been unemployed for two years and all you have to show for it is a funny reverse job application. Sadly, it doesn't show what your actual skills are, nor whether you have ever produced something of value for anyone. These are more or less prerequisites to getting a good job. Go look at http://jacquesmattheij.com/My+list+of+ideas+for+whe…

I dunno. I was out of work for a year once and then settled for a few years of staggering underemployment. I even came to believe that I would never again be hired as a developer, that no company would look at me, that my resume was too weak and I'd never get past human resources. It got really depressing. Then I met a guy who knew a guy, and they got me back on track. Now I have a very nice job with a very nice comp…

I applaud this guy. Instead of berating his shortcomings in execution I think smart people should ponder the bigger question he posits, ie, why are smart people not capable of bypassing the eternal "ooh! ooh! pick me!" game of the HR folks? Seriously, HR reminds me of Morgana's forrest of the damned in Excalibur, ie, "No Knights shall pass this morass".

Here are 2 true stories from personal experience:

(1) Me and girlfriend are out to dinner with her friend when her friend's friend/associate/something phoned to say she was nearby and wanted to join us. She worked in HR. Fast forward past the wine and stuff to the end of the night where she was recounting a story about how she and her colleagues spent most of the time "printing out resumes for review" only to wind up throwing them all in the shredder because of the dauntingly massive volume and lack of coherent approach to dealing with it, deleting the responses to the original job postings and going to their supervisors and telling them they need they needed to "post more ads" and "call more recruiters" because they "couldn't find qualified candidates".

(2) Another HR person (I presumed) I overheard in a barnes and noble talking on the phone to somebody about how she found someone to "channel the job posting responses to a database" ... several moments later (I could only guess the other side of the cell conversation): "I don't know, I guess somebody somewhere looks at the resumes, whatever, they don't pay me enough to give a sh@#".

(3) Applicant side: A pretty damn talented guy I knew couldn't find work for about a year and a quarter. Social proof effects started kicking in until I realized that for all practical reasons he SHOULD be getting a job quite easily. A mutual friend suggested he try to "hire himself" from a HR standpoint to see if things looked different from the other side. After a very long attempt to figure out why, he hired a detective/consultant who found out the type of companies that he applied to in his area started using a particular firm for background checks, and that firm in turn used a service that searched for "probability" quotients that job applicant names were on various lists.

Not ACTUAL matches, mind you, but relative "probabilities" based on letters and letter combinations in name that his name would be on, say, federal databases of felons.

In his case, the match returned with a "moderate to high probability" that, in essence, names like his MAY be on federal lists of felons and people who had to register as sex offenders. And people who had restraining orders against them.

None of this applied to him, but his name "configuration" had, based on I don't know what criteria, a "probability" of being on such list.

Along with, I don't know, thousands of other people who had short, basic anglo-saxon names.

And, of course, there's that infamous YouTube video from 2007 with that law firm advising HR managers at some hotel conference about how to "setup a fax machine near a shredder" to comply with federal hiring laws and then complain to government that they couldn't find qualified candidates in order to score government handouts, tax-breaks and make the case for more temporary visas to take advantage of foreigners who don't realize just how expensive it can be to work in the U.S. and think $30-40k is like hitting the jackpot based on relative buying power back home.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#55
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To me, it seems like he's looking more for personal fit than a specific job. On his personal site he says he wants to be a jack-of-all-trades. As one myself, I know he'll have a tough time finding a job using the traditional approach. It's rare to see a job posting for a generalist but, everywhere I've worked had one.

But a generalist in what area. My first thought was he was looking for a job in the advertising industry, based on the page itself. He gives no indication what he wants to do. Even saying "I design things" eliminates, say, accounting.

Violent agreement. Focusing on one thing dramatically increases your chance of success, and makes it easier for folks looking for that specific thing to identify you.

Mr. Horner's site seems even more reverse than a reverse application - does that make sense? He seems to be saying, "First, decide if you like ME. Then, decide if you have a job for me."

EDIT: I should have said "industry" instead of "thing" in my second sentence. He's stated he wants to be a generalist, not a specialist. He would fare better by targeting a specific industry.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#56
post #21

His resume: http://www.andrewhorner.com/documents/AndrewHorner.Resume.pd... * For your level of experience, Everything should fit on a page. * Take out the operating system part. They can infer them by the languages you use. * Take out high school * Create a section for awards and list them there * Take out familiar with MatLab and Latex * For each project give a link to a screen-shot or working project and ensure th…

I agree about changing the layout to make it fit on one page. But I wouldn't remove high school. He's done IB, which is way more challenging than regular high school. It's a straight admissions ticket to many top universities, some even let you skip the freshman year entirely based on what you took with IB.

It's unfortunately not as widely recognized in the US than elsewhere in the world.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#57
I hate to be That Guy, but HTML Tidy tells me his page has 26 errors, mostly related to proper nesting of elements. It's just too easy to make sure your HTML is valid to let his "Attention to Detail" commitment slide.

Re: The reverse job applicant

#58
post #21

His resume: http://www.andrewhorner.com/documents/AndrewHorner.Resume.pd... * For your level of experience, Everything should fit on a page. * Take out the operating system part. They can infer them by the languages you use. * Take out high school * Create a section for awards and list them there * Take out familiar with MatLab and Latex * For each project give a link to a screen-shot or working project and ensure th…

matlab skills are highly desired for some jobs, If you know it well enough to put it on your resume, you should just lump it in with the other languages. same with latex(if you're possibly looking for anything academic/research lab)

Re: The reverse job applicant

#59
I like the idea and creative approach, but I'd like to know a bit about what your skills are. It not in the theme of the site to put up a resume, but you need to give me an idea whether or not you're somebody I'd want to hire as a developer, or to work in marketing.
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