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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by BryanBigs »

eridius wrote: post #702
binomialxenon wrote: post #654

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Google does make a ton of money from ads and tracking, but how do they not "sell software and media" too? They sell apps and media in the same manner that Apple does.

Google has relatively few ways to actually give them money directly for software and media. There's Google Apps (assuming you aren't a grandfathered free customer from back when it was free), and I guess YouTube Red, and, um.... is there any other way to actually pay money to Google for services rendered? I honestly can't think of another option. (I'm ignoring their hardware here because of course that's not free, an…

You Tube TV. It's almost ready for the average couch potato, and certainly good enough if you watch 3 hrs at most of TV a week.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by darawk »

stickfigure wrote: post #789
darawk wrote: post #783

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I'm not generally a fan of the privacy hysteria around Google/FB, etc. But I think the solution here is pretty clear: Don't build a login system for your browser. It's inherently confusing.

It's inherently confusing. Rubbish. What's confusing is having a zillion usernames and passwords for every site on the internet, and "doing it right" (which only a tiny percentage do) requires installing password manager extensions in your browser. In practice billions of users use the same insecure password everywhere including their banks. You may or may not like the implications of centralizing authentication to a…

Logging into your browser is not the same as logging into all the sites you use. And you certainly don't need browser login to enable it - just use OAuth. This is a solved problem.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by quantum_magpie »

bamboozled wrote: post #430
justaman wrote: post #390

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I first tried DDG years ago. It really wasn't great. The results and astetics were not up to snuff. I went back to google. About a year ago I decided to try DDG again. I've been using DDG ever since. Maybe once a month I'll google something. I use chrome only for google products like gmail.

DDG sucks and hasn’t really improved at all. I’ve used it for a longtime but I use bangs endlessly. Unless you can provide some quantifiable metric to prove its “getting better” then it’s delusion getting the better of you. DDG uses other search engines for results (such as bing), so unless you agree Bing is improving, it’s just a placebo. DDG is only useful because we can all fall back on g!. It’s sad but true. Ther…

I've been using DDG for ~4 years now. Haven't ever used a google bang and it never failed me.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by eridius »

BryanBigs wrote: post #791
eridius wrote: post #702

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Google has relatively few ways to actually give them money directly for software and media. There's Google Apps (assuming you aren't a grandfathered free customer from back when it was free), and I guess YouTube Red, and, um.... is there any other way to actually pay money to Google for services rendered? I honestly can't think of another option. (I'm ignoring their hardware here because of course that's not free, an…

You Tube TV. It's almost ready for the average couch potato, and certainly good enough if you watch 3 hrs at most of TV a week.

Google offers 2 different paid YouTube products? Wow, that's not confusing at all...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by lern_too_spel »

LocalH wrote: post #786
lern_too_spel wrote: post #619

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> Most "full ad-blocking" requires being rooted on an Android device too. Nope. https://blokada.org/index.html > And you've obviously not done very much research about what data Apple collects vs Google. I showed you exactly how Apple collects more data from iOS than Google does from Android. You're trying to Pee-wee Herman your way out of this with an "I know you are but what am I?" > Google makes you approve all pe…

Signal is not an "SMS app". Signal is an end-to-end encrypted messaging app, that just happens to also support SMS. Note that if you use Signal as your SMS app, to send SMS messages, they are not encrypted.

The whole point is that it falls back to SMS if the other party doesn't have Signal, so you don't have to think about it beforehand. It most certainly is an SMS app, and not being able to set it as the default makes it nearly useless.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by lern_too_spel »

hk__2 wrote: post #705
lern_too_spel wrote: post #541

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> Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". I just showed you one way that iOS spies on you that you can't turn off. All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. N + 1 > N. Q.E.D. > There are system-wide ad-blockers Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views. > Firefox Focus is great It doesn't use Gecko or Spide…

> All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. [citation needed]

https://android.googlesource.com

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by lern_too_spel »

hk__2 wrote: post #704
lern_too_spel wrote: post #516

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> Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. To what? iOS spies even more by default (no way to disable AGPS vs. opt in on Android) and doesn't allow using privacy-enabling apps by default (system-wide ad/tracker blocker, real Firefox, Signal, local maps, etc.) unless you hack your phone. Worse, it doesn't let you develop for your own phone without rebuilding weekly or paying a yearly fee for the privilege.…

> local maps Have you tried Maps.me? It downloads OSM maps for local usage.

It can't be set as the default, which is the point.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by monetus »

state_less wrote: post #765
burky wrote: post #760

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I just tried this and got an error that says "Error! -search error" when searching for the term "angular directives". Not very compelling.

I received a similar error using Chrome, then tried in Firefox and am now getting search results.

Any idea what's going on there?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by stickfigure »

darawk wrote: post #792
stickfigure wrote: post #789

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It's inherently confusing. Rubbish. What's confusing is having a zillion usernames and passwords for every site on the internet, and "doing it right" (which only a tiny percentage do) requires installing password manager extensions in your browser. In practice billions of users use the same insecure password everywhere including their banks. You may or may not like the implications of centralizing authentication to a…

Logging into your browser is not the same as logging into all the sites you use. And you certainly don't need browser login to enable it - just use OAuth. This is a solved problem.

I suggest you try spending a few hours in my support channels.

The problem is that users are confused by the fact that "logging into your browser is not the same as logging into all the sites you use". You can literally sign into chrome with one google account and then sign into google with a totally different google account. Futhermore chrome has different "people" (browsing profiles) which confuses them even more; there's three different things that look vaguely like identity here.

You think this is just fine, Mr. Oauth, but I guarantee you it's a giant mess for the 99.9% of humans who have no idea what oauth is.

Chrome usability would be significantly improved by collapsing "logged into chrome" and "logged into google" into a single thing.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by manquer »

ux-app wrote: post #62
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Piwik is fairly good these days as replacement for GA
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