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Re: Ask HN: Best robust laptop for everyday software development

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Personally, I feel nothing beats a Mac for overall software development, especially if you are a full stack developer and you like to be able to use all kinds of tools if need be. I see a lot of people like the ThinkPads and I'm sure they are great, but the secret sauce is not just the machine, but the OS, and macOS is still glorious (it's a UNIX desktop OS!) I'm not going to tell anyone they must use a Mac, but gene…

"I'm not going to tell anyone they must use a Mac, but generally if I see a room full of developers, 90% of them will have Macs. Surely that says something" I did not use Mac yet and would like to try it someday. But I know a quite profane proverb for this thinking: "eat shit, ten million fly cannot be wrong" I have never seen a developer with Mac in my life - only managers. Developers use highest grade of ThinkPads…

That's interesting. Where are you located?

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I only used Apple products for about a decade, but last year I bought a Dell XPS which I run Ubuntu on. If you're looking to run linux, the XPS is a great choice. The hardware quality is extremely high---long battery life, ridiculous screen resolution (and it's a touchscreen), fast processor, and plenty of storage. My only complaints stem from the fact that, when using linux, there are inevitably things that don't wo…

I have an XPS 13 which I run Debian 9 and the coil whine is unbelievable! When I open Google Maps it sounds like how one might imagine a supercomputer in a children's TV show.

Re: Ask HN: Best robust laptop for everyday software development

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Dell Precisions have always been pretty durable. The newer ones have gotten much thinner and lighter, and I've not used them, but you can often find refurbished sub $500 m4800s that can still support 32GB of ram, multiple sata drives, discrete graphics, etc.

Can't stand the weight of it. It is not a portable system. Though very powerful, you need to be muscular to lug it on long walks across business districts! I prefer X1 Carbon or T480s!

Somehow hate Macs!

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The X220/30 is still a very viable Dev machine if you don't mind the screen. As a word of caution, I went down the MBP route myself and was recently caught with the dust under the keyboard membrane problem. You probably aren't accurately evaluating how annoying it is to randomly lose your laptop for a few weeks while they repair the keyboard. I certainly was not.

Compressed air duster didn't fix it?

Unfortunately, the keyboard is built with a single membrane under all of the keys. I think that Apple imagined this meant dust wouldn't be able to get under it. Unfortunately, it just means that you can't spray compressed air under it when dust eventually does.

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The X220/30 is still a very viable Dev machine if you don't mind the screen. As a word of caution, I went down the MBP route myself and was recently caught with the dust under the keyboard membrane problem. You probably aren't accurately evaluating how annoying it is to randomly lose your laptop for a few weeks while they repair the keyboard. I certainly was not.

This has happened to me several times now, and not sure if I’m just experiencing something totally different (don’t think so), but I’ve been able to solve this problem 100% of the time by smashing down on the key in question several times in quick succession. This even worked after the first time when I took it into the Apple store and they wanted $400 to replace it.

Re: Ask HN: Best robust laptop for everyday software development

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The X220/30 is still a very viable Dev machine if you don't mind the screen. As a word of caution, I went down the MBP route myself and was recently caught with the dust under the keyboard membrane problem. You probably aren't accurately evaluating how annoying it is to randomly lose your laptop for a few weeks while they repair the keyboard. I certainly was not.

+1 for x230.

I can't really comment on how I was handling mine vs what the OP does to their laptops.. but mine held up fine for ~4.5 years in near-daily use (work machine, incl. some personal and travel use) with just a little crack at the side. After 4.5 years I had to replace the screen though. And I'm on the third battery now, so overall "replacement parts" cost was like 80 (screen) + 1x 70 (big battery) + 1x 40 (small battery).

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If you want something dirt-cheap and easy to repair, go with one of the earlier thinkpad x-series, x200, x201, x220, x230... They're underpowered, but if you're just SSHing into a remote box it's a good choice.

> They're underpowered, but if you're just SSHing into a remote box it's a good choice. I feel like this concept doesn't get enough attention. You'll never get a laptop (that you actually want to carry) that has as much power as a server in a rack somewhere. Thinking of the laptop as an ephemeral mobile thin client rather than an entire workstation lets you focus on finding a laptop that's comfortable to type on and…

Wouldn't say the i7 x230 is really "underpowered" but of course it shows its age a little

comparison to my T470p (which sadly is not an i7): http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-3520M-vs-...

Re: Ask HN: Best robust laptop for everyday software development

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ThinkPads have indeed declined in quality. Especially the keyboards have become very fragile and break under normal wear in a few years if not less. Replacing them at that point is normally impossible since that spare part is no longer in stock. Sad :(

Not on the good models such as T and X series.
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