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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

I agree to some extent, but at the same time I think it would be silly for somebody to take a stand over this.

In the grand scheme of things, this is a pretty small issue compared to all the other tracking they do and things like "Project Dragonfly".

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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No, of course they didn't. But that doesn't mean they didn't still modify the codebase of the DOS (I cant recall what it was called) that they bought. Besides, my point clearly wasn't who originally authored MS-DOS but rather that MS didn't even have a product to sell -let along a well engineered one- back when they first visited IBM.

MS didn't even have a product to sell Microsoft BASIC was the original Microsoft product, written by Paul Allen and Bill Gates in 1975. It was already wildly successful and the default microcomputer BASIC dialect by the time they had talks with IBM. MS-DOS was originally 86-DOS, née QDOS, by Seattle Computer Products.

I was talking about Altair BASIC, Micro-Soft (as they were then called) first product and it was pitched to Ed Roberts (MITS founder) to run on his Altair before any code had been written on their (Micro-Soft's) BASIC interpreter. So I was absolutely correct to state they didn't have a product to sell there.

And yes, MS-DOS was originally a SCP product - however you've left out the important part: when Microsoft visited IBMs headquarters to sell their disk operating system after Digital Research struck out with IBM (though accounts regarding what happened there differ wildly depending on who you ask), Microsoft did not have a CP/M nor DOS clone at that time which is why they approached Tim Patterson of SCP and later bought the OS for a pittance compared to what Microsoft then licenced it for. Thus once again I'm completely correct to say Microsoft didn't have a product to sell.

I don't know why you and the former poster have gotten so hung up on who originally created MS-DOS since I was only discussing it's licensing to IBM. But hopefully you now understand the point I was making.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

>switch to bing

I can't believe that this needs to be said here, but don't use Microsoft products if your goal is to avoid dark patterns and user monetization. Microsoft is at least 10 times more corrupt than google.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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What's the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don't need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious player…

> Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. In my own personal experience that would be some really well invested £150...

So I don't have to be poor to not be spied on. Got it. If I can afford just some cheap-ass phone, I deserve to be spied on.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

>switch to bing I can't believe that this needs to be said here, but don't use Microsoft products if your goal is to avoid dark patterns and user monetization. Microsoft is at least 10 times more corrupt than google.

Any source for the 10 times claim?

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Updated tweets indicate it deletes the cookies then immediately creates new ones? This is probably related to that login-state sync between the browser and Google account previously discussed; it'd be really weird to me if deleting my cookies logged me out of my browser account, but that means it's also really weird if it logs me out of Gmail if I'm still in my Google account in the browser itself.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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We can examine an alternate universe where iPhones aren’t selling like hotcakes actually. > With only seven million iPhones sold in China during the second quarter of 2018, Apple's market share in the country dropped by 12.5 percent year on year to 6.7 percent, according to a report by the International Data Corporation (IDC) Apple have some very particular values in China though, storing iCloud data and encryption k…

Hasn't Apple basically abandoned the low price phone market in the same period though?

Maybe.

> If you head over to Xiaomi China’s official store (via XDA-Developers) you’ll see three new bundles unsubtly named the XS, XS Max, and XR sets. Included in each bundle is a new Xiaomi phone — either the Mi Mix 2S, Mi 8, or Mi 8 SE, respectively — a Xiaomi Notebook, a Mi Band 3, and a Bluetooth earpiece/earphones, all for the same price as their namesake iPhones.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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No IT staff in my shop. And the last 3 version upgrades have removed all my extensions, while trying to force the Google Drive extension on my installation. So the thing is, I’m heavily reliant on 1Password, and force uninstalling that extension has made Chrome useless to me. I refuse to reinstall my extensions again and I refuse to log in to Chrome to have my extensions synced. If they want to break my browser on au…

This sounds like a bug. Could you please file it at https://crbug.com/new ?

Send me a check for my rate and I’ll do it.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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if you want to use a web browser - use Brave browser.

Which uses Chromium under the hood adding to the Chrome render engine monoculture.

That's not necessarily a bad thing. A render engine monoculture makes web dev easier---if I could have all the hours back I spent on taking perfectly working code on Safari and Chrome and making it work on Firefox, I'd take them in a heartbeat.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and don't feel like my life is worse for it. It really is good enough. And when you also factor in that you're not helping Google build a profile on you, it's better than Google.

I first tried DDG years ago. It really wasn't great. The results and astetics were not up to snuff. I went back to google. About a year ago I decided to try DDG again. I've been using DDG ever since. Maybe once a month I'll google something. I use chrome only for google products like gmail.

And DDG supports the "g!" search prefix that allows you to easily open Google when DDG results are subpar.
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