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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Skrillex »

andrepd wrote: post #298
snarfy wrote: post #195

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They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

If you're not willing to do that then it means you don't care. That's what values and principles are: you have to make sacrifices, it's not enough to say you have them. I'm not necessarily making any judgement here, I'm not saying "those assholes, why don't they quit?". I'm just saying that you cannot be unwilling to make a sacrifice for your "values" and then claim you have "values". Pick one.

Sure you can. If Value A (some given ethic or aesthetic) is sufficiently less valued than Value Set B (family, personal happiness, financial security, career success), then most likely the hypothetical holder of these values will make no attempt to protect Value A when Value Set B would be negatively affected as a direct result.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by eridius »

binomialxenon wrote: post #654
turtle4 wrote: post #486

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There are no perfect alternatives, just imperfect ones. Apple has their own issues, but they've claimed that their business is selling you a device and software and media to run on it, and making their money from that as opposed to reselling your data. Everything they've been doing lately supports that stance, and they've already recognized it as a differentiation, hence the way they have been up-playing the privacy…

Google does make a ton of money from ads and tracking, but how do they not "sell software and media" too? They sell apps and media in the same manner that Apple does.

Google has relatively few ways to actually give them money directly for software and media. There's Google Apps (assuming you aren't a grandfathered free customer from back when it was free), and I guess YouTube Red, and, um.... is there any other way to actually pay money to Google for services rendered? I honestly can't think of another option.

(I'm ignoring their hardware here because of course that's not free, and I don't think it's even intended to be a significant source of revenue anyway)

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Post by ballenf »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #541
strunz wrote: post #530

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Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". Apple charges more because they don't sell you data or spy on you. There are system-wide ad-blockers, Firefox Focus is great, and there is a Signal app. Apple is actually going out of there way to make Safari harder to track - https://www.wired.com/story/apple-safari-privacy-wwdc/ They're also the only company who has been strong enough to stick u…

> Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". I just showed you one way that iOS spies on you that you can't turn off. All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. N + 1 > N. Q.E.D. > There are system-wide ad-blockers Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views. > Firefox Focus is great It doesn't use Gecko or Spide…

>> There are system-wide ad-blockers > Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views.

Apple allowed them for about a year before reversing course. Lookup Adguard's blog posts for detailed history.

Their app was fantastic (I've still got an old version installed which is still working great on iOS 12.1) and allowed the use of standard tracking lists for systemwide blocking / firewalling.

My guess for why Apple reversed course is that they had no easy way of stopping spyware-masquerading-as-adblockers without blocking all.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by hk__2 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #516
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

> Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. To what? iOS spies even more by default (no way to disable AGPS vs. opt in on Android) and doesn't allow using privacy-enabling apps by default (system-wide ad/tracker blocker, real Firefox, Signal, local maps, etc.) unless you hack your phone. Worse, it doesn't let you develop for your own phone without rebuilding weekly or paying a yearly fee for the privilege.…

> local maps

Have you tried Maps.me? It downloads OSM maps for local usage.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by hk__2 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #541
strunz wrote: post #530

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". Apple charges more because they don't sell you data or spy on you. There are system-wide ad-blockers, Firefox Focus is great, and there is a Signal app. Apple is actually going out of there way to make Safari harder to track - https://www.wired.com/story/apple-safari-privacy-wwdc/ They're also the only company who has been strong enough to stick u…

> Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". I just showed you one way that iOS spies on you that you can't turn off. All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. N + 1 > N. Q.E.D. > There are system-wide ad-blockers Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views. > Firefox Focus is great It doesn't use Gecko or Spide…

> All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android.

[citation needed]

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Post by csomar »

That does it for me. I have tried the latest FireFox version and it is faster, for the first time. I've been reluctant to switch but these last updates hit the nail everywhere. The tabs are worse. Chrome is slowish as hell and the intrusion is insane.

Job well done chrome.

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Post by kelnos »

zanny wrote: post #493
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #412

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What's the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don't need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious player…

You can use Android without Google. Just get Lineage and don't install gapps.

How is the experience, though? Do you find that most mainstream apps run without issues? Or do you need to exclusively depend on one of the OSS app ecosystems like F-Droid?

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Post by AzMoo_ »

skykooler wrote: post #518
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #412

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What's the alternative to Android though? Apple has its own well-documented issues, as well as a rather large price-tag. I just use my phone for maps and some chat services, don't need a very fancy phone. Even the iPhone 7 is listed at £449, which is already £150 more than I paid for my Sony Xperia. I wish stuff like HP WebOS or Meego was still alive, but as far as I know, Apple and Google are the only serious player…

SailfishOS is still around, which is pretty much the spiritual successor to Meego. That said, even in Finland it has a tiny fraction of the market share of Android and iOS.

You can't even buy Sailfish outside of the EU and it only works on specific devices right now.

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Post by itsyogesh »

reitanqild wrote: post #662
prolikewh0a wrote: post #569

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I had an iPhone 6s+ for a year and couldn't stand the UI and poor ergonomic choices. I was also unable to do basic things easily like SSH without paying outlandish amounts of money for things similar to JuiceSSH. It's locked down in userspace much more than Android and it's noticeable. Things like unzipping/unraring files, using a file explorer, always had problems with downloaded files, etc were totally impossible.…

I've wanted to go back to a S40/candybar type device for a while. So far this has been vetoed by my wife who fears that I'll be even more disconnected since I'll then only have access to all messaging on the PC. Anyone knows if Telegram/Signal etc exists for KaiOS or similar?

Not quite sure if it fits within the idea of complete privacy but Whatsapp is available for KaiOS.

https://blog.whatsapp.com/10000649/WhatsApp-for-JioPhone-on-...

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Post by Beldin »

eridius wrote: post #702
binomialxenon wrote: post #654

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Google does make a ton of money from ads and tracking, but how do they not "sell software and media" too? They sell apps and media in the same manner that Apple does.

Google has relatively few ways to actually give them money directly for software and media. There's Google Apps (assuming you aren't a grandfathered free customer from back when it was free), and I guess YouTube Red, and, um.... is there any other way to actually pay money to Google for services rendered? I honestly can't think of another option. (I'm ignoring their hardware here because of course that's not free, an…

Don't they take a cut from any transaction in the Play store?

In stores around here, you can buy gift cards with a Google logo on it (play store credit). That's about as direct a way of giving them money as i can think of.

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