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Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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I had the same mindset as yours perhaps a year or two ago, until I realized a couple of things that completely changed my mind. This is a little off the main topic but you see, when it comes to privacy, we like to think that we have it in our control but in fact we don't. As Snowden has proven, what the NSA is doing is far worse than Google. You just don't know it because it's completely hidden and sealed off from th…

What? I should just ignore Googles harvesting of my data because "everyone does it"? That's ridiculous. Also, why do companies need to "compete"? There's no reason that core software like internet browsers or operating systems need to be commercial in the first place. I will happily continue using Firefox.

I understand your logic and I fully agree because I was on your side. If there really is a choice nobody would want it to be this way. Unfortunately our current world is not a utopia.

Let me give an example, suppose no countries on earth had nuclear weapons. We all know how deadly and devastating its effects can be to humankind. Let's say initially all nations agreed that it's bad for all of us and nobody should pursue it. However, if ONE country broke the contract and started developing nuclear weapons on their own. Do you think the remaining countries can afford to stay at their same positions and not start developing it too? Once someone starts doing it, all bets are off! You can apply the same logic to any unethical technological experiment, such as cloning human. Google really had no choice, if they don't adapt they will be out of the game within the next 10 years.

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Didn't say you had to...

It seems he's employed by Google

What does that have to do with my opinion about not being concerned about my Facebook use..?

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i didnt mean to offend you either, it just seemed like more of a xenophobic than technical argument. apple is lauded for the security and privacy of the iphone but it is manufactured in china. could china have their hands in that "cooking pot"? if there were some kind of subterfuge occurring with opera at the hands of the chinese government, it would be newsworthy indeed.

I don’t even know why I’m still arguing with you but there’s a huge difference between something being assembled in China for a US company and a browser company with its jurisdiction in China. One can be compelled to aid the government the other not so much. You’re comparing two entirely different things here. It’s far easier to manipulate some lines of code than to modify the hardware of thousands of devices. And I…

i was not calling "you" xenophobic, i was saying the sentiment of distrust for anything chinese seemed xenophobic to me, barring an explanation (which you provided, thanks. the exchange of ideas is good!). but i will call you a special snowflake

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post #351

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I guess you missed this monster thread from earlier today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18054574

i read it. tldr: there isnt one.

for all you geniuses downvoting my tldr commment: by far the 2 most popular suggested alternatives from the thread were fastmail and protonmail. fastmail costs money. for us elite hacker types its no biggy but does your mom pay for email? its not a fair competitor when 99% of people think email should just be free. protonmail is free but limits how many emails you can send and caps you at 500MB. also sign up and then try signing up for facebook. better get your ID ready...

edit: to be clear i'm not knocking either option. im just supporting my original point -- that google's recent actions do not threaten its email dominance

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Judging by all those post-GDPR popups I frequently receive the text would also contain some text like “by clicking ‘accept’ or ‘X’ you consent to XYZ.” Theres almost never a true choice.

You don't have to click on 'accept' or 'X'...

I see where you’re going but that’s just not practicable, isn’t it?

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post #374

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It's about privacy and also about taking away functionality that worked all these years for me. At work we use Google Apps and I sign in as with my work address for Gmail, Calendar, Docs, Drive, etc. and am used to one click access to all these apps. But I like to sync my bookmarks, extensions and settings to my personal account - and that's it - I don't want to sign in to my personal Gmail, Docs, Drive in the browse…

Just. use. Firefox.

People get set in their ways. We're not all web developers.

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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post #348

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Yahoo now uses Bing. Yandex is basically indexed Russian pages. So unless you're searching in Russian, DDG is essentially a reskin of Bing search.

i dont know why your comment is being downvoted instead of being replied to. its a valid comment. sadly im seeing this all the time now -- comments being downvoted just because other users disagree. if you disagree and have a valid argument, make the argument... i digress. i pine for when hn was more intelligent

DDG has a fanbase that, like most, is not immune from cognitive dissonance.

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You don't have to click on 'accept' or 'X'...

I see where you’re going but that’s just not practicable, isn’t it?

Generally if the notification is getting in the way, I delete it from the DOM.

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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That's a bad example. In technical progress, Chrome is the complete opposite of IE When IE started to _gain_ internet share it was a paragon of technological development. It was far faster then navigator, more reactive and performant. Only little-by-little did Microsoft start adding in features no other browser supported. By the time the mid-late 00's roll around and Chrome was released. IE was this red-headed step c…

Code formatting quotes makes quotes very difficult to read on mobile. I wonder why we couldn’t just use quotation marks?

HN is so non-optimized for mobile to the point of user hostility why bother?

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Yes, but as I said, most people probably do consider it a single gateway to all of their Google services, browser included. The big difference is that your Chrome account is your Google account, unlike any of the other sites you mention.

People are perfectly capable of distinguishing between browsers and websites. For example, users have no problem logging into Facebook with Chrome. Auto-signin only adds confusion. Many (most?) users have no reason to associate their browser with a Google account. This is something that Google is pushing unilaterally, just like Google+/YouTube integration. As an advertising company, they stand to benefit from more ac…

Capable? Sure. But probably not interested in the difference.

Again, the Chrome account is your Google account so you're not associating anything, you're just logging in. It's different than any other example where the website has a different account. Signing in to Chrome and then into Gmail is not what most users would expect because for them the browser really is just another Google service.

There seems to a big (and sometimes willing) misunderstanding from HN/tech users about the mainstream population who just want things to work.

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