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Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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I don't get the 2nd part, there is nothing stopping French companies translating into the one other language which they probably speak fluently, English, testing it in the UK as they're roughly the same timezone, then moving onto the big English speaking markets of the US, Canada and Australia, which are all significantly bigger than probably 17 of those 20 languages. And the finance thing has nothing to do with Macr…

I interpreted it as required by regulation to support the mentioned languages. However, I would like to understand if this is the case.

There is no such regulation. We're a B2B French company, based in Paris, and there's only one user interface language (English) that even our French customers have to use. Even for B2C, there are no language regulations.

For public and almost-public organizations, there is a regulation: you can communicate in exactly one language (French) or at least three languages (usually these will be English and German).

On the other hand, trying to sell to the average French person will require a French translation, and the same is probably true for most other EU countries if you wish to improve your chances ("have a translation in that language" is likely in the top 5 of improvement suggestions for a new market). 300 million people sharing the same language is a boon, especially for B2C or B2SMB.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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My opinion : the low salaries of engineers, high taxes and bureaucracy hold back the startup scene. Also, the mentality toward technical positions, in France if you didn't go from engineer to manager by 35 year old people wonder what's wrong with you. https://imgur.com/a/MOlau0V

Low salaries should help the startup scene, not hurt it. Where would you rather create your startup - somewhere where it would cost more to hire or less?

Lots of talented people end up working in another country, especially top talent. Would you rather have a glass ceiling at 40k or start at 100+k in SF?

Not to mention, low salaries garantees that not much international talent will relocate in France

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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Macron recently referred to the French as "change-resistant Gauls", which wouldn't be a useful characteristic for technology or entrepreneurship.

He is also a president with a very low popularity blaming the population for not being happy with his terrible reforms.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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My opinion : the low salaries of engineers, high taxes and bureaucracy hold back the startup scene. Also, the mentality toward technical positions, in France if you didn't go from engineer to manager by 35 year old people wonder what's wrong with you. https://imgur.com/a/MOlau0V

I understand what you mean about making the move to manager. As a french dev now living and working in UK I don't feel this social/professional pressure any more. It's also a shame that salaries are kept so low, but it kind of reflects the lack of consideration companies there have for devs. That being said, I know a lot of very good software engineers that will never make the move from France to a foreign country because they are happy at what they are doing and the salary is not their first priority, very good for them and for french companies who'd like to hire them.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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France has plenty of early stage startups, in fact the increase in size and quality in their ecosystem in just a few years has been very impressive.

What’s missing in France right now is an ecosystem of fast-growing mid-stage startups - series B and above. I think that’s caused by a combination of:

1) mindset (thinking globally from say one is easier said than done when nobody around you has done it before)

2) lack of late-stage funding. The seed money scene is not as bad as it used to be, and is in a virtuous cycle of early exits / successful entrepreneurs who want to give back. That is looking very good. However, the VCs still suck, with a few exceptions. They’re mostlt bankers, they’re risk-averse, ownership-greedy, and intrusive. Good luck growing a world-class business with them on your board and in your cap table.

3) The EU market is just weak conpared to US and China. So every european startup has to start outside their confort zone and attack foreign markets from day one... Which creates friction compared to growing at home for the first few years.

Here are factors that in my opinion are NOT to blame: taxes (comparable to California), salaries (yes they’re lower than in SV; that’s a good thing for startups), bureaucratic red tape (that’s what lawyers and accountabts are for, it’s not rocket science), lack of work ethic (in my experience French employees work very hard and are very loyal - although they do complain a lot), brain drain (sure French people leave the country. Plenty stay, or come back. It’s nothing like what third world countries have to deal with).

What I’m seeing more and more is French founders moving to SV, raising money there and keeping their engineers in France. Other international founders are doing the same. I think it’s the best available move at the moment.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I interpreted it as required by regulation to support the mentioned languages. However, I would like to understand if this is the case.

There is no such regulation. We're a B2B French company, based in Paris, and there's only one user interface language (English) that even our French customers have to use. Even for B2C, there are no language regulations. For public and almost-public organizations, there is a regulation: you can communicate in exactly one language (French) or at least three languages (usually these will be English and German). On the…

Those 300 people also share similar culture, likely speeding up adoption through word of mouth.

Since I mostly consume english, US-centric media, I wonder how high the marketing effect even outside the US is for services that launch in the US first.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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A good look at France's startup scene today and what's holding them back from creating the next Uber/Google “We set up in France around the same time as our rivals were starting in the U.S., but quickly they were raising 100 times more from investors and selling across the country,” Sapet said. “Meanwhile we were stuck translating into 20 European languages.” - Christophe Sapet (French entrepreneur)

> "Meanwhile we were stuck translating into 20 European languages.” - Christophe Sapet (French entrepreneur)"

That's such a bad excuse. There is nothing stopping them from executing in English, or in French in France in the first place. There are five major languages in Europe: English, Spanish, French, German and Italian. No startup starts doing business in >1 market, not even Uber/Google.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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France has plenty of early stage startups, in fact the increase in size and quality in their ecosystem in just a few years has been very impressive. What’s missing in France right now is an ecosystem of fast-growing mid-stage startups - series B and above. I think that’s caused by a combination of: 1) mindset (thinking globally from say one is easier said than done when nobody around you has done it before) 2) lack o…

Low salaries are not a good thing for the startups!

Here's an article from a French engineer that is currently on the front page of HN: https://web.archive.org/web/20180925150228/https://florentcr...

tldr; he moved to SF because salaries are much, much higher than in France, even considering the social benefits that you get in France.

Other threads on HN have French engineers saying that they love living in France while working remotely for American companies.

I've lived in Paris, Berlin, NYC and California. I'll never understand how European founders can keep saying that 40k euro salaries for engineers is a benefit while they watch so many great engineers leave to American companies.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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As an independent observer (VC; background in investing both in the US & Europe, currently based out of London) - the French ecosystem has transformed massively over the last few years, it's essentially unrecognizable from what it used to be.

Historically French startups were relatively insular, primarily focusing on the French market while largely ignoring the larger global market.

That's long gone - now you see French startups going after the global market from day one (indeed many run product/eng out of France while running sales from the US to be closer to their American customers).

You can tell the article author hasn't really spent time in the French ecosystem due to the lack of mention of SaaS which is where Paris has found it's sweet spot - SaaStr even ran their first conference outside of SF in Paris.

You can easily see the quality of SaaS startups emerging from the French YC alumni alone: Front, Algolia, Sqreen, Slite - each really building the category defining product in their space.

Re: Startup Nation? Entrepreneurs Still Toil in Macron's France

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France has plenty of early stage startups, in fact the increase in size and quality in their ecosystem in just a few years has been very impressive. What’s missing in France right now is an ecosystem of fast-growing mid-stage startups - series B and above. I think that’s caused by a combination of: 1) mindset (thinking globally from say one is easier said than done when nobody around you has done it before) 2) lack o…

Low salaries are not a good thing for the startups! Here's an article from a French engineer that is currently on the front page of HN: https://web.archive.org/web/20180925150228/https://florentcr... tldr; he moved to SF because salaries are much, much higher than in France, even considering the social benefits that you get in France. Other threads on HN have French engineers saying that they love living in France wh…

They are a benefit... if you pay people above market! That allows you to attract top talent that otherwise would be locked in at Google etc.

The whole point of low salaries, for smart companies, is to be the one increasing them! Obviously that makes it a temporary advantage, as salaries start to increase... But all great advantages are temporary.

The people you are talking to, who like low salaries because they want to enjoy lower costs in perpetuity... that’s just mediocre thinking by mediocre companies.

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