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Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by lern_too_spel »

strunz wrote: post #530
lern_too_spel wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. To what? iOS spies even more by default (no way to disable AGPS vs. opt in on Android) and doesn't allow using privacy-enabling apps by default (system-wide ad/tracker blocker, real Firefox, Signal, local maps, etc.) unless you hack your phone. Worse, it doesn't let you develop for your own phone without rebuilding weekly or paying a yearly fee for the privilege.…

Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more". Apple charges more because they don't sell you data or spy on you. There are system-wide ad-blockers, Firefox Focus is great, and there is a Signal app. Apple is actually going out of there way to make Safari harder to track - https://www.wired.com/story/apple-safari-privacy-wwdc/ They're also the only company who has been strong enough to stick u…

> Being unable to disable AGPS is not the same as "iOS spies even more".

I just showed you one way that iOS spies on you that you can't turn off. All other default data collection is exactly the same between iOS and Android. N + 1 > N. Q.E.D.

> There are system-wide ad-blockers

Where? I'm talking about blocking ads and trackers in all apps, not just in web views.

> Firefox Focus is great

It doesn't use Gecko or Spidermonkey. It is not real Firefox.

> and there is a Signal app.

Which, as I already said, you can't set as your default SMS app.

> They're also the only company who has been strong enough to stick up for their customers and publicly decline the US government assistance or backdoors into their products.

Even Google has declined to assist the US government. There is no difference here. Everywhere else, iOS is significantly worse.

> Apple charges more because they don't sell you data or spy on you.

Apple charges more because they know they have enough rubes that will buy into their marketing spiel, even convincing some software engineers to buy programmable devices they aren't allowed to program. Google doesn't sell your data either, and as I've already shown, Android spies on you less.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by sjwright »

ux-app wrote: post #26
pnenp wrote: post #22

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Worked for me. Switched to FF because I just can't trust Chrome anymore. FF feels like a breath of fresh air.

Yup, same. Switched to ff and bing. Was surprisingly frictionless. Next week I'll be off gmail too. Up yours google. The week after, I'm getting rid of my android phone. I'm a high school IT teacher and have some influence over hundreds of students each year. I've already started to sprinkle in some discussion about privacy and will be sure to inform my students about the issues. Of course I won't brow beat my studen…

> I'm a high school IT teacher ... I've already started to sprinkle in some discussion about privacy

Thank you for your service.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by qubax »

So "clear browsing history" ( from all time ) really doesn't do what it says anymore? It doesn't even clear youtube history? Wowsa.

If google is this bad, I wonder what microsoft is really storing. I wonder what ISPs are storing. Also, this type of news doesn't give me much confidence when it comes to android either.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by hollerith »

rapnie wrote: post #441
jstanley wrote: post #376

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I use DuckDuckGo exclusively and don't feel like my life is worse for it. It really is good enough. And when you also factor in that you're not helping Google build a profile on you, it's better than Google.

I use DDG as default search for little over a year now. Mostly I am quite happy with it, and do not have to fall back to Google. But for some searches I do have to do that. E.g. searching for a HN discussion from the last week: usually no hit. Also image and video search yield surprisingly little results. This last thing is my biggest complaint on DDG.

This will find HN {stories,comments,both} from last week: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=%s&sort=byDate&type={story,com...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by Fnoord »

q3k wrote: post #426
paulie_a wrote: post #402

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Having Google on your resume is in no way impressive in my opinion. I have reviewed plenty of resumes and been part of the interview process. Being a Google employee just doesn't matter.

Indeed. I even had one door closed by having Google on my resume! ("We've had bad luck with ex-Google types in the past")

"Luck" is a BS excuse, including in said argument

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by mdavidn »

wrs wrote: post #528

Inaccurate headline — according to later messages it does delete the Google cookies, but the auto sign in feature (discussed earlier) recreates them, as it obviously must. I don’t think an additional wave of hysterical dismay is justified here.

“When you sign into Gmail, you also sign into Chrome.” How does this feature “obviously” imply that Chrome must recreate tracking cookies? My expetation would be that, after deleting all cookies, I’m signed into the browser but not Gmail.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by swsieber »

class4behavior wrote: post #468
Buetol wrote: post #363

Here's the PR where this message has been introduced: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/98... ...but the related bug discussion is hidden.... The internal name for the feature is "DICE" (desktop identity consistency feature) There is a build flag to disable the feature: ENABLE_DICE_SUPPORT

Well, at least in chromium you can disable it at run time as well: chrome://flags/#account-consistency

IIRC that flag is broken in canary 71

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by jraph »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #367
teddyh wrote: post #228

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You could always use a cleaned Google-free Android derivative OS like Replicant. See also the Librem 5 phone, which does not run Android at all.

I know I could and thank you for the suggestion. The problem with that approach is that I don't want to fiddle with my phone. I don't fancy installing custom roms and I don't need the frustration about a device running 99% fine, except for those annoying 1% that you need right now. I see an analogy in GNU/Linux, which I started to use in 1999 (yeah, on the desktop). It was really good fun. I liked compiling my own ke…

My phone on Lineage OS 15 without Google stuff just works. There is nothing that does not work. It is flawless.

Actually, it works better than an average Android phone, or than the same phone with stock system:

- better battery life (it used ~ 2% battery during this very work day, with a few texts and one call) because it quite literally does nothing if I don't use it (granted, I use ForceDoze and that helps a lot).

- It never shows any sign of slowness, is never laggy like I can witness on many phones around me (and I use Firefox Mobile, which is supposed to be slow from what I read).

- I didn't have to disable any unwanted app.

Well, except for EAP SIM Wifi authentication, which does not work on any custom ROM that I know of and flashing a custom ROM is indeed a stressful experience, especially the first time.

Librem 5 will be pricey but seems like a good option when it is ready.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by makecheck »

You have to be able to trust your tools.

Imagine if “rm” just decided to occasionally set aside files instead of removing them. The “star” in “rm star” means “remove everything”, not “remove, asterisk” where at the bottom of the page the asterisk lists exceptions like some kind of marketing weasel. Sheesh.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by nbar1 »

nathan_long wrote: post #369
swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

"OK, no problem. Having Google on my resume means I can get a new job by the end of the week. I'll be sure to spread the word to users and developers alike that you're shady." Let's not pretend that developers are powerless.

Not everyone is in a position to walk away from a job in hopes to land a new one in a week. People have families, bills, obligations.
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