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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by brlewis »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

Perhaps the (you won't be signed out of your Google account) language was something an engineer or product developer insisted on. Perhaps they figured that was their part, and that it's up to the rest of us to take 10 minutes and switch to Firefox so data-driven Google knows this was a bad idea.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by jstanley »

bamboozled wrote: post #430
justaman wrote: post #390

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I first tried DDG years ago. It really wasn't great. The results and astetics were not up to snuff. I went back to google. About a year ago I decided to try DDG again. I've been using DDG ever since. Maybe once a month I'll google something. I use chrome only for google products like gmail.

DDG sucks and hasn’t really improved at all. I’ve used it for a longtime but I use bangs endlessly. Unless you can provide some quantifiable metric to prove its “getting better” then it’s delusion getting the better of you. DDG uses other search engines for results (such as bing), so unless you agree Bing is improving, it’s just a placebo. DDG is only useful because we can all fall back on g!. It’s sad but true. Ther…

> Unless you can provide some quantifiable metric to prove its “getting better” then it's delusion

This doesn't prove anything. Unless you can provide some metric to say it's not good, then it's delusion getting the better of you.

DuckDuckGo is good enough for everyday usage, for me. It has been this way for well over a year. I never use bangs.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by larkeith »

Yetanfou wrote: post #346
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

If you have your own server somewhere or access to such managed by someone you trust may I suggest using a meta-search engine like Searx [1] instead? That way you get to swat a whole cloud of flies in one fell swoop: 1: no personal tracking or profiling data for the search providers 2: no 'personalised' search 3: search results from several providers condensed into one list, i.e. more results for the same query You c…

I'll second the recommendation of Searx - I appreciate DDG, but it has noticeably worse search performance (relevance of results etc) than Google, while Searx, being a metasearch engine, provides high-quality results but still maintains privacy.

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Post by rapnie »

pedrogpimenta wrote: post #364
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Drop Android to... What? It seems the only option is iOS and I don't want that...

Maybe you'd like e.foundation It is in beta now, and forked from LineageOS.

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Post by strictnein »

laumars wrote: post #407
drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

> Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to engineering/product first phase. Microsoft were always a marketing first company. Even in the early days they sold BASIC and DOS before they'd even written a line of code. And Windows certainly didn't become the dominant desktop OS through being the best at engineering (in the 80s…

> Even in the early days they sold BASIC and DOS before they'd even written a line of code

Microsoft didn't create DOS

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Post by rebornshellfish »

l5870uoo9y wrote: post #231
drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

This is simply too naive. We need regulation to stop global tech monopolities shamelessly exploiting their dominant position, be it Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung and so on. I doubt this can be done properly on any other level than national.

Something I wonder is: would we have anywhere near as much of a problem with a handful of companies monopolising the information technology industry, if we didn't have Intellectual Property laws?

People often forget that patents, copyright, etc. are just an arbitrary social construct with little real justification for their existence. Yet the overall effect they have is to make it considerably harder to start a new company to compete with a tech giant.

It may be that the problem is that we have too much regulation rather than too little.

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Post by n42 »

jostondet wrote: post #122
ux-app wrote: post #62

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Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

I'm stuck on deciding what my primary mail provider will be. I do not mind paying a few bucks a month, would anyone have a suggestion? Regarding drive replacement, I will probably host a nextcloud instance.

Really, the most important thing is to control the domain, so that changing the provider later is not a big deal. I've been using FastMail and it is great, but the hardest part was moving away from @gmail.com

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Post by neil_s »

swebs wrote: post #320

"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

Painting all workers on H1-B visas in one brush seems unfair. The H1-Bs at Google get paid way more than the H1-Bs at companies like Wipro or Infosys. [1]

These are skilled workers, with options, that happen to be foreign.

Not foreign workers that are just skilled enough and grateful enough.

1: https://h1bdata.info/highestpaidcompany.php

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Post by amyjess »

wu-ikkyu wrote: post #437
laumars wrote: post #416

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In an ideal world, yes. But people have mortgages, families and other commitments. Some have social anxiety and find job hunting an impossibly scary prospect. Others might suffer from depression. It's all good and well placing generalised ethics on individuals to do the right thing but in those kind of ideal world scenarios you also wouldn't have accountants finding tax loopholes, lawyers perpetuating patent abuse, n…

>people have mortgages, families and other commitments. Some have social anxiety and find job hunting an impossibly scary prospect. Others might suffer from depression. So what? Standing up for what you believe in is never easy, and almost always involves challenges like those. Imagine if Dr. King gave up because he was anxious and depressed with death threats coming in on a regular basis. Failing to take a moral/eth…

You don't have a right to subject your children to homelessness just because you felt like taking a stance based on feelings.

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Post by trophycase »

czechdeveloper wrote: post #380
orcdork wrote: post #139

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

But are there any moral corporations left? It feels like you can just keep running.

Not really, gotta work for small businesses or start your own.
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