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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

Engineers losing control to money types and bureaucrats is a gradual process. It is not that one day Google strikes out the second word from its unofficial motto ("do not be evil"). Engineers might dislike each small step in that direction, but it is not enough to make them pack up and move (house, family, kids, etc.). Pretty quickly they are tamed by both money people and the bureaucrats -- still appreciated and pai…

I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product.

I bought a surface pad for my dad. Setting up was a pain, my dad had constant issues where he’d do something and didn’t know how to get out of it. UX was inconsistent. Bing ads everywhere. Yuck! It still very much felt like features were created for someone to get a promo.

Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company. “Our charts show that with this change people use more google services. It invades user’s privacy and pisses off a bunch of HN users but who cares? This will make us a trillion dollar company, and it is working!”

And this is why everyone should fear Google. If they are willing to do this, as their AI capabilities advance, their actions show they value their stock price far above their users privacy. God knows what they’ll do next. It’s not the first time they’ve done something like this.

On the other hand. The current US govt is in bed with Google. They lobby like crazy. The govt will not do anything. Gogo is a behemoth that can pretty much get away with anything now. May be the EU will. I really hope they get fined for this.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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I wanna switch go Firefox so badly. But I use Linux, MacOS, and Windows and Firefox still does not support keychain on MacOS. I'm not gonna input my master password every time I open up my browser.

Or use a good cross-platform (Linux included) open-source password manager. For example: https://bitwarden.com ;)

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Here's the PR where this message has been introduced: https://chromium-review.googlesource.com/c/chromium/src/+/98... ...but the related bug discussion is hidden....

The internal name for the feature is "DICE" (desktop identity consistency feature)

There is a build flag to disable the feature: ENABLE_DICE_SUPPORT

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Drop Android to... What?

It seems the only option is iOS and I don't want that...

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

If you have your own server somewhere or access to such managed by someone you trust may I suggest using a meta-search engine like Searx [1] instead? That way you get to swat a whole cloud of flies in one fell swoop: 1: no personal tracking or profiling data for the search providers 2: no 'personalised' search 3: search results from several providers condensed into one list, i.e. more results for the same query You c…

I really wish iOS allowed for custom search engines, it's hard coded to just google, yahoo, bing, and duckduckgo because then that would allow for this roll-your-own pattern to be accessible when on the phone / tablet (if using an iPhone/iPad).

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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post #361
post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Engineers losing control to money types and bureaucrats is a gradual process. It is not that one day Google strikes out the second word from its unofficial motto ("do not be evil"). Engineers might dislike each small step in that direction, but it is not enough to make them pack up and move (house, family, kids, etc.). Pretty quickly they are tamed by both money people and the bureaucrats -- still appreciated and pai…

I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product. I bought a surface pad for my dad. Setting up was a pain, my dad had constant issues where he’d do something and didn’t know how to get out of it. UX was inconsistent. Bing ads everywhere. Yuck! It still very much felt like features were created for someone to get a promo. Google at the moment feels like a ruthless data driven company.…

> I wouldn’t call Microsoft as a company returning control to Engineers and product.

I would not either, but this just reinforces the opinion that it is very hard for a company to get out of this state. Once engineers are domesticated even if the leadership wants to reinvigorate the company (and I think Microsoft's would like), empowering tame engineers is unlikely to produce earth-shattering results. Product improvements, sure; new technologies, probably not. My 2c.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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You should be good if you're using Android without Google services, I think. That's exactly the rub. We don't really know. My Windows phone is going defunkt and the only alternative I really see is either an iPhone, or then back to a dumb phone (a 4G wifi hotspot function would be great, but I haven't found a reasonable dumb phone supporting that). I'll be damned before I carry any Android device on me.

You could always use a cleaned Google-free Android derivative OS like Replicant. See also the Librem 5 phone, which does not run Android at all.

I know I could and thank you for the suggestion.

The problem with that approach is that I don't want to fiddle with my phone. I don't fancy installing custom roms and I don't need the frustration about a device running 99% fine, except for those annoying 1% that you need right now.

I see an analogy in GNU/Linux, which I started to use in 1999 (yeah, on the desktop). It was really good fun. I liked compiling my own kernels because I could. It's great when you can compile, say, Postgresql to the exact specifics of your box, etc.

But then you get to the point where you just want that damn thing to work. You don't want to waste a couple hours or more in figuring out how to burn a cd. let alone games (a situation, which is much better now). So, at one point and as much as I like GNU/Linux, the philosophy behind free software and the endless possibilities of tinkering with your system I switched back to Windows.

It's probably even worse with a phone. I want that damn thing to just work and I don't see that with keeping an Android phone Google free.

At least Apple is not in the business of selling my privacy to the sleaziest of sleaze in order to make a quick buck.

Edited to add : Thanks for the Librem 5 suggestion. I'll look into it.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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"Oh you want to take a moral stand? Ok, the door is that way. We've just successfully lobbied for a few hundred more H1B's that will do anything we tell them"

"OK, no problem. Having Google on my resume means I can get a new job by the end of the week. I'll be sure to spread the word to users and developers alike that you're shady."

Let's not pretend that developers are powerless.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Isn't this an unsurprising, logical consequence of "signing into google"=="signing into chrome"? If you're still signed into Chrome you're going to get those cookies recreated by Chrome immediately. Has anyone tested this behavior if you aren't signed in, or have disabled the google/chrome login equivalence?

Pretty clever. Sign into Google services on chrome, get Google cookies and get signed into chrome as a convenience. Clear cookies on chrome doesn't sign out of chrome. Signed into chrome and no cookies means you get Google cookies restored as a convenience.

Everyone here is blaming marketing but somebody pretty technical came up with that.

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