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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by eloisant »

snarfy wrote: post #195
orcdork wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Come on, Google offices are only in tech hubs where these engineers can easily find a decent job. Not necessarily as highly paid as Google (applying to other tech giants is always a lottery) but they can still make a very good living in the same city.

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Post by braythwayt »

close04 wrote: post #237
nothrabannosir wrote: post #216

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> I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it. There are no poor engineers at Google. That is, ironically, the point people are making: if you make that much money doing something so (arguably) distasteful, you deserve scorn. It's in the "you can't have your cake and eat it too" family.

There’s a difference between coming up with the requirement and the “order”, and implementing it because that’s your job. And don’t say they should quit. This isn’t the solution. At some point they will find an engineer to do it anyway. The solution should be applied at the source.

There is a wikipedia page devoted to the argument that they were only doing their job:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by jimktrains2 »

teddyh wrote: post #235
_jcwu wrote: post #221

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The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking? Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

IIRC, Firefox did that once , and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

They just did it again to gain a count of users who turned telemetry off.

In general, I see firefox's point that using the system extensions to deliver autouodates and allow them to iterate more quickly. However, it also feels like whenever we see these extensions that they're something shady.

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Post by thomasahle »

Svenskunganka wrote: post #80
thomasahle wrote: post #68

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Can I import my Chrome passwords into FF?

You should use a password manager, there's been a few cases already where malware shows how trivial it is to steal and decrypt into plain-text passwords stored by the browser.

If I have malware on my computer, I assume it'll be able to capture my password no matter if they are encrypted or not.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by beavis2 »

mike22223333 wrote: post #150
troels wrote: post #82

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I'm sure Microsoft had the same reasoning about IE.

Google strikes off a right balance between annoying and convenient. It's kicking off all Privacy concerned people, Ad Block people, overopiniated people off it's platform indirectly. Websites get less money from Firefox users per user then Chrome users. If Firefox users make less money, going to future, devs will not optimize for it. If the only remaining Firefox users block Ads and block analytics, I do not think go…

> devs will not optimize of it.

Yep.

I have been a FF user since.. well, Netscape. Yet, FireFox-specific bugs have always been a lower priority.

Because, it's "a bug effecting 100 users" vs "a bug effecting 900 users"

When you consider FF users are harder to monetise (admit it, we generally are), you can start saying "a bug effecting ~50 potential customers, vs ~800".

*(fortunately, now that IE/Edge is out of the picture, those types of issues are rare)

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Post by thomasahle »

dao- wrote: post #163
thomasahle wrote: post #68

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Can I import my Chrome passwords into FF?

Should work on Windows: https://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/annotate/ea67de243b02...

That's very interesting. Good find!

I just have to find a Windows computer then :p

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by userbinator »

_jcwu wrote: post #221
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking? Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

It's sad to see people jumping between the same browsers, when the amount of change between each jump is getting smaller and smaller. All of them are becoming more hostile, just at different rates.

The outlier is (was?) IE, it kept the same interface and configurability while others continued dumbing down (although things are changing with Edge too) and it seems the massively anti-user decisions the other browsers made never really took hold at MSFT until most recently when they began sticking telemetry up the wazoo.

If you care more about user control than web standards compatibility then perhaps IE is the best choice... for now. At least it is more compatible than the "fringe" browsers like Dillo and NetSurf, or even the text-based ones. Opera, before it became another WebKit-shell, might be another good one.

(Disclaimer: No affiliation with MSFT, just someone who has watched these browser wars for a long time and saw this gradual "illusion of choice" take hold. I use various browsers depending on which site it is.)

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Post by insickness »

pnenp wrote: post #22
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #4

Are they trying to promote Firefox or something? Chrome seems to be trying quite hard to annoy people enough to actually uninstall it.

Worked for me. Switched to FF because I just can't trust Chrome anymore. FF feels like a breath of fresh air.

How is the speed now of FF compared to Chrome? A few years ago I switched to Chrome because it was way faster. Has FF improved?

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Post by manigandham »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #128
napolux wrote: post #103

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90% of people won't care / aren't able to understand the issue. That's were google is heading its efforts :)

This doesn't matter. The people who fix your computers or help you over the phone are the family friends who are geeks/programmers. Once the geek herd has moved on to something else, then the mass follows whatever they're currently using, because they're the ones that advocate the change. It will take a few years, but once Google has lost the geek vote, they will die a slow death like Microsoft did. At this point my…

Microsoft is anything but dead... where did that statement come from?

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Post by pliny »

braythwayt wrote: post #239
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Agree in spirit, but in the case of Google/Alphabet there is somewhere for the buck to stop: AFAIK Larry + Sergei (+ maybe Eric?) control more than half of the equity in terms of voting power, so if they want too promote their principles at the expense of revenue growth they can do that regardless of the feelings of other shareholders.

This is more speculative, but I think public markets don't really react adversely to visionary CEOs / founders putting principles over growth, so it's not like they would make all their paid-in-equity engineers take a pay cut for their principles either.

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