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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by l5870uoo9y »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

This is simply too naive. We need regulation to stop global tech monopolities shamelessly exploiting their dominant position, be it Google, Microsoft, Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Samsung and so on. I doubt this can be done properly on any other level than national.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by ur-whale »

drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

>Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google.

The engineers not being in charged happened a long time ago.

To wit: the current CEO of Google, Sundar Pichai, was never an actual engineer.

He actually learnt the ropes of his job at McKinsey.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundar_Pichai

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by tjoff »

beavis2 wrote: post #199
tjoff wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IE 6 was superior in every way, there truly was no competition at the time. Then they didn't bother to do anything for close to a decade and "suddenly" everyone had passed them. Google on the other hand seems to be actively making things worse. Might not take so long time for chrome. One can hope.

Not really. IE's "killer feature" was ActiveX. Which meant that any browser limitation could be worked around. But there was competition, that's why they made the original effort. Once the competition was killed, they stopped. Sure, they wanted it to be the best browser - but not better than desktop.

ActiveX wasn't really used outside of enterprises. It was also used for creating wave-effects on an image, cool stuff.

The desktop was never threatened, most people were on dialup. Javascript was about changing link colors, not creating "software".

Since IE was so much better than the competition it didn't really matter that it got monopoly. Until it stagnated. Same as today, since Chrome was so superior it didn't really matter that all other browsers faded into niches. Until google started abusing it.

Maybe we should start prioritizing open software rather than waiting for a monopoly to be formed?

The reason for why Fusion 360 is "free" isn't because autodesk are nice guys, it's because that's an effective way to ensure that they won't have to deal with competition in the future.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by teddyh »

_jcwu wrote: post #221
mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking? Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

IIRC, Firefox did that once, and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

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Post by adrianN »

sbr464 wrote: post #208
sbr464 wrote: post #155

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Honestly I don’t think I even do that many actual searches any more, maybe I work too much, or am just odd? The most frequent services I use, after thinking about it, are: - local business/food/bars (hours, reviews) - driving directions - accessing email to confirm a signup/lookup a receipt/license etc - events, theater showtimes - flight prices - pay bills etc - check reviews/HN/ random articles. Most of these I acc…

From a monetization perspective, why not just charge $99 for chrome vs charging $0.00005 * x-thousand and being seedy via ads? Not going to pay now, since trust is blown, but here’s to anyone in the future.

Because nobody pays for software but most people don't care about privacy.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by close04 »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #216
snarfy wrote: post #195

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They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

> I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it. There are no poor engineers at Google. That is, ironically, the point people are making: if you make that much money doing something so (arguably) distasteful, you deserve scorn. It's in the "you can't have your cake and eat it too" family.

There’s a difference between coming up with the requirement and the “order”, and implementing it because that’s your job.

And don’t say they should quit. This isn’t the solution. At some point they will find an engineer to do it anyway.

The solution should be applied at the source.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by onetimemanytime »

SheinhardtWigCo wrote: post #141
drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

Only market forces can alter the course now. A decision has been made at the CEO level to aggressively use Google’s grip on the browser and search engine markets in any way that helps their bottom line and has been calculated to not trigger a massive PR backlash among the general public. The rank-and-file Googlers tasked with enabling these misdeeds have a simple choice: remain complicit or refuse to work on these pr…

>>A decision has been made at the CEO level to aggressively use Google’s grip on the browser and search engine markets in any way

Now it's obvious to everyone but I am almost certain that Google did this already with search at least since 2008. The low hanging fruit was picked with Matt Cutts being their PR mouthpiece, and what's left to do now stinks. They can't hide behind the "search" and ads are separated lie. Special mention to his pal, Danny Sullivan, the "fair and balanced" search expert.

Edited to ad: If they claim that SERPS are unbiased and not connected to ad revenue, doing otherwise would fraud. Tens of $billion worth.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by braythwayt »

braythwayt wrote: post #224
snarfy wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

One more thing (apologies):

If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have?

Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold them accountable for growth, and every company plays dirty, so what choice do THEY have?

Pretty soon everyone is shrugging, and now you understand how SYSTEMIC problems persist: Nobody is held personally accountable because no one person can make change without sacrifice, and sometimes not even then, it would take mass walkouts or protests , and each person is but a drop in the bucket.

This mechanism of not holding people accountable because they don’t have sufficient authority or power to make unilateral change is how all systemic injustices persist. Racism, sexism, class distinctions, corruption in government, predatory corporations, all of them.

They persist because individuals say, “What can I do? Nothing, so I might as well go along with it.” And if everyone accepts this...

The next thing you know, they’re writing software to assist opressive regimes oppress their citizens.

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Post by thomasahle »

gregknicholson wrote: post #133
thomasahle wrote: post #68

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Can I import my Chrome passwords into FF?

From Mozilla's docs, this is unclear. Possibly. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/import-bookmarks-data-a...

I tried that, but it only gave me the bookmarks.
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