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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by _jcwu »

mangecoeur wrote: post #36

Seriously don't know why anyone is surprised that a browser built by an ad-tech company pushes the user tracking tech of that company. Just use Firefox and have done with it - there's been a series of these kinds of posts over the last couple of days with people suggesting insane workaround hacks instead of just changing their browser. P.S. if you keep chrome because some websites only work properly there, maybe y'al…

The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking?

Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

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Post by torgoguys »

Isn't this an unsurprising, logical consequence of "signing into google"=="signing into chrome"? If you're still signed into Chrome you're going to get those cookies recreated by Chrome immediately.

Has anyone tested this behavior if you aren't signed in, or have disabled the google/chrome login equivalence?

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Post by princekolt »

mike22223333 wrote: post #161
ux-app wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dropping chrome is not enough. Switch to bing (Just as good as G), or ddg if you really want. Then ditch android which is the spy in your pocket. If you're installing G analytics for clients then choose an alternative (I'm open to suggestions here). It's really time to disentangle ourselves from google. They've quietly and effectively insinuated themselves across the web. Enough is enough.

Qwant is worse then Google, but better then Bing or DDG. Try it.

DDG has improved substantially recently. I've had some technical search queries that gave me 2-3 results on DDG, and when I used the !g bang to lookup in Google, I got a "no results" page. =P

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Post by braythwayt »

snarfy wrote: post #195
orcdork wrote: post #139

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes.

That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them.

Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture.

How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.”

If you aren’t able to change your organization, change organizations. If not, fine, but you cannot escape having proven that you don’t actually value consumer privacy or what-have-you more than your hot supper. You just consider it a nice ideal to bandy about in conversation.

Summary: Those who are complicit certainly deserve their share of the blame. At the very least, you can say of them, “they value money more than privacy.”

If you don’t think so, maybe YOU don’t value these things that much, which is why you won't hold anyone else accountable for them.

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Post by askmike »

beavis2 wrote: post #218
askmike wrote: post #177

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No direct data. But that's the impression I have gotten over the years. I've seen a ton of posts at the frontpage that talk about moving away from Apple for whatever reason, which are always heated debates. I've never seen any post of people jumping from Windows to mac or linux (I believe that's not a situation a lot of people on HN are in). it might be my filter bubble, but if I google "hacker news mac vs windows" t…

> talk about moving away It's just that. All talk. Including the usual empty threats of "don't piss of the technical people". Meanwhile, they're still logging into Facebook using Chrome on their Windows machines.

I also believe most of these topics are just talk. But the point I was making is that whenever someone talks about "I'm leaving Mac for whatever reason" it blows up and everyone and their mom weighs in to give their opinion. It's not uncommon to have these on the frontpage. Why? Because most people use Mac so they have something to say.

However when someone says "I am moving away from windows because of X" it never hits the frontpage since most people don't care since they are not on windows.

This is obviously not great quantitative research. But if I go into any co working space or coffee shop where people work on their laptops. I find a lot of people on macs, and all the technical ones are on HN. Whenever I meet technical people with a windows laptop they are never on HN.

I thought this was quite well established that HN is very apple'y, so I'm having a hard to come up with proper data to back this up.

What about you? You think the opposite?

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Post by pmontra »

orcdork wrote: post #139
drawkbox wrote: post #63

Another confirmation that engineers and product developers are no longer in control at Google. Engineering and product first is how Google won the game initially, very easy to forget that when the money rolls in massively and the power structures move away from those driving forces. Microsoft already went through this engineering/product growth to bizdev/marketing control to stagnation and is already in the return to…

That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

Exactly, there are plenty of other companies to go working for. People working for Google at best accept a compromise, at worst are actively working against their customers (should I say users?)

That said, as a customer I'm using an Android phone because IMHO anything else is a worse choice for a number of reasons. At least I'm signed out of any Google service except Play.

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Post by teddyh »

CaptainZapp wrote: post #186
heinrich5991 wrote: post #96

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You should be good if you're using Android without Google services, I think.

You should be good if you're using Android without Google services, I think. That's exactly the rub. We don't really know. My Windows phone is going defunkt and the only alternative I really see is either an iPhone, or then back to a dumb phone (a 4G wifi hotspot function would be great, but I haven't found a reasonable dumb phone supporting that). I'll be damned before I carry any Android device on me.

You could always use a cleaned Google-free Android derivative OS like Replicant. See also the Librem 5 phone, which does not run Android at all.

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Post by pmlnr »

pmontra wrote: post #226
orcdork wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

Exactly, there are plenty of other companies to go working for. People working for Google at best accept a compromise, at worst are actively working against their customers (should I say users?) That said, as a customer I'm using an Android phone because IMHO anything else is a worse choice for a number of reasons. At least I'm signed out of any Google service except Play.

> any Google service except Play

Yeah, that's enough, that logs you in on google play services, which has god mode on your phone.

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Post by yebyen »

coldtea wrote: post #135
pmlnr wrote: post #107

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I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, but this is an unreasonable goal. However.... re-decentralization resonates quite well these days when it comes to the web. I wonder what it would take to be re-applies to email.

> I'd love to tell people the only way to replace gmail is to get either your own mail server or at least your own domain, It's trivially easy to get blacklisted as spam that way...

I think "get your own mail server" doesn't necessarily imply that you're doing all of the setup yourself. Using a provider like fastmail (or Google apps, fwiw) is a good way to be sure that you set it up right.

Granted you can't set up your own Google Mail domain for free today like you once could, but some of us are grandfathered in... I am, and I'm still looking at this as a better alternative to Gmail because even though it is Gmail, I can take my address with me if I do ultimately change my mind about Gmail.

(That's the first step, at least. You can never take @gmail.com with you, but if you want to start moving away, you could forward to your own domain and start thinking about where you would host it.)

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