I'd say it's more like conventional factory towns from a couple centuries ago. I grew up in the Boston area, and on a recent trip back home, took my wife to see Lowell National Historic Park, birthplace of the industrial revolution in America. It struck me how similar the stories of the young women who went to work in the mills were to the young people who now flock to the Bay Area. Like today's workers, they were fl…
> Many of the women who worked in the mills would "retire" in their mid-late 20s or early 30s, having saved up the majority of their wages. Thanks for sharing. I was under the impression that this was a relatively new phenomenon with the advent of sky high compensation in tech roles. Do you happen to know how common it was for them to be making, say, $300k in inflation adjusted terms by, say, age 26? I'd love to read…
Treating the Bay Area as like working in the mines
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#22At $5,500 per month is that to rent or buy? I currently spend about 25% of my after-tax salary on rent and I consider it too much for me. $66,000 => $264,000 after-tax. Californian marginal income tax bracket for $52k - $268k is 9.3% So $264,000 after-tax => $291,000 pre-tax (I know that's not how tax brackets work but I'm just estimating) And that must be base salary since you can't pay rent or buy food with stock o…
tl;dr: Californians should get ready for more State taxes. A lot more.
Re: Treating the Bay Area as like working in the mines
#23At $5,500 per month is that to rent or buy? I currently spend about 25% of my after-tax salary on rent and I consider it too much for me. $66,000 => $264,000 after-tax. Californian marginal income tax bracket for $52k - $268k is 9.3% So $264,000 after-tax => $291,000 pre-tax (I know that's not how tax brackets work but I'm just estimating) And that must be base salary since you can't pay rent or buy food with stock o…
> Side note: My marginal income tax rate in Australia is 37%... I feel absolutely robbed looking at these California tax rates You're missing federal. You have to add both together to get a final tax. At that income federal would be about 30% after deductions. So totally it's around 37% - 39%, depending on your deduction.
US taxes work out a good deal less than Australian if you are paying Australia federal income tax but filing in the USA at a federal level (joys of dual citizenship!), but Australians often don't add up fed+state+local. So there's a lot of mythology in Australia about the low-tax USA as we don't pay state income tax here.
Re: Treating the Bay Area as like working in the mines
#24At $5,500 per month is that to rent or buy? I currently spend about 25% of my after-tax salary on rent and I consider it too much for me. $66,000 => $264,000 after-tax. Californian marginal income tax bracket for $52k - $268k is 9.3% So $264,000 after-tax => $291,000 pre-tax (I know that's not how tax brackets work but I'm just estimating) And that must be base salary since you can't pay rent or buy food with stock o…
Here are real numbers. Background: Average of 10 programmers who range ages 22-25 and are 2-3 years out of college. Base: 140k Bonus: 30k Equity: ~60k Total: $230k year pretax. Taxes: - 33% federal bracket - 10% state bracket - 7% FICA+Medicaid. (50% total) Brackets listed are marginal rates, actual rates are noted here: https://smartasset.com/taxes/california-tax-calculator#p9c7Y... Let's run the math - $230k comp -…
> run the math - $230k comp - $83k taxes
Please fix this inconsistency.
Re: Treating the Bay Area as like working in the mines
#25At $5,500 per month is that to rent or buy? I currently spend about 25% of my after-tax salary on rent and I consider it too much for me. $66,000 => $264,000 after-tax. Californian marginal income tax bracket for $52k - $268k is 9.3% So $264,000 after-tax => $291,000 pre-tax (I know that's not how tax brackets work but I'm just estimating) And that must be base salary since you can't pay rent or buy food with stock o…
Hence roommates. $5500/month split 2 ways is $2250/month, which would still be ridiculous in any other city but is doable on a $130-140K base. Split 4 ways (that's doubling up in a bedroom) it's $1125/month, which is basically how non-tech-workers do it.
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#26I'm looking to relocate to the Bay next year, and I'm exploring renting a one bedroom with my partner. Our plan is to rent as cheaply as we reasonable can, even if we can afford more (that is what we are doing right now). I think the analogy to the mines is spot on. At the same time it seems like the most rational approach for most tech workers. Even if I wanted to stay in California, as a foreigner in a L1 visa, my…
Everybodies plan is to do that.
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#27At $5,500 per month is that to rent or buy? I currently spend about 25% of my after-tax salary on rent and I consider it too much for me. $66,000 => $264,000 after-tax. Californian marginal income tax bracket for $52k - $268k is 9.3% So $264,000 after-tax => $291,000 pre-tax (I know that's not how tax brackets work but I'm just estimating) And that must be base salary since you can't pay rent or buy food with stock o…
$5500 is not a realistic rent option for someone living alone. You can get one bedrooms or studios in nice neighborhoods for under $3000-$2500. You can also live 45 minutes away from employment centers and pay less. So the math is significantly different from that inflated price he is talking about. Also by commuting you can use company busses if you work at bigco, subsudizing living far away.
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#28People moving there have little intention of setting down roots and staying long term. People who have lived there long term are just waiting to cash out on their house and move far away and just hoping the local tech ecosystem doesn’t implode first. Employees think they’re playing the companies by taking big pay then getting out and going elsewhere. Companies think they’re playing employees by having a seemingly never ending supply of “miners” looking to live and work under conditions most “normal” people would laugh at. Yes, it’s a mess.
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#29After 5 years there, my conclusion was that the Bay Area runs on human souls. It might not be like the black lung, dirt-faced dangerous mines of old, but if you end up working 10 or 12 hours a day, are caged, distracted, annoyed (but fed!) at work, go home to a meager existence, have zero friends, zero romance, and your mind is hijacked to the point where you literally cannot think about anything else and relax , the…
I would get my soul sucked dry for a few years for 100k$+ a year - for few years
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Many of the women who worked in the mills would "retire" in their mid-late 20s or early 30s, having saved up the majority of their wages. Thanks for sharing. I was under the impression that this was a relatively new phenomenon with the advent of sky high compensation in tech roles. Do you happen to know how common it was for them to be making, say, $300k in inflation adjusted terms by, say, age 26? I'd love to read…
My guess was that standards of living were drastically lower back then, so the accumulated factory wages could make a difference. Back then, people lived in crappy little houses with no electricity, no water/sewage, obviously had no cars etc. There was relatively little stuff in their lives, so, as long as the land provided you with food, you didn't need much money. My grandma used to live like this in rural Poland -…