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Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by deadmetheny »

Xcelerate wrote: post #56
deadmetheny wrote: post #51

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Guess what - the old Internet created plenty of content for free, without incentive of monetization, yet people still did it. The Web has suffered greatly as a result of the bullshit mindset that just because you put something online, you are entitled to make money for it.

Right, that’s why I specifically said “monetary incentive”. There will always be non-monetary reasons to create content. Are you proposing that trying to make money using the internet is morally wrong? Or just that collecting user data is wrong? Or that collecting data without consent and a clear explanation is wrong? Because if the line is drawn at the latter, then that’s what GDPR is for, and so I don’t understand…

>Are you proposing that trying to make money using the internet is morally wrong?

Not inherently.

>Or just that collecting user data is wrong?

Yes, under any and all circumstances. The security implications alone are staggering.

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by kryogen1c »

Analemma_ wrote: post #14
tedivm wrote: post #3

I don't understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on- their team (managers and developers) are all over twitter and reddit trying to explain the privacy violations away as if the people upset about this are just not understanding what's going on. I really expect this change to push a lot of people away from Chrome, and frankly I wouldn't be surprised if it started opening up more antitrust possibilit…

> I don’t understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on Because they’re not “dying on a hill” at all, because nobody cares. Nobody outside Hacker News and Twitter infosec people only followed by other Twitter infosec people cares about this. > I really expect this change to push a lot of people away from chrome Care to bet on that? Because I would happily take the opposite side of that bet. I think th…

I'm typically out of touch with normal people so I'm probably proving your point, but this has pushed me off chrome and Google.

Ive always loved google. Installed chrome when it was released. I'm writing this from a pixel 2 XL because I broke my pixel 1 XL. I've had a Gmail account almost since it's been possible (I have my firstnamelastname@gmail.com). I now use firefox. I don't know what mail I'll switch to, and I can't bring myself to an iPhone, but I'm leaving.

Google's increasing anti-user posture is enough, personified by the removal of their slogan "don't be evil". Legal move though it surely was, it's all too fitting.

Goodbye Google - you broke my heart.

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by cm2012 »

jonbronson wrote: post #38
cm2012 wrote: post #12

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The user has the option to not get through the "pile of nonsense" and just close the website. The fact that the user does not should tell you something. Unless you think every website should force the user to go through a 15 minute webinar to help them specifically understand privacy policies before letting them browse the website?

The lesson to companies should be, don't provide a Hobson's choice up front like this. Offer the webpage you meant to offer, and simply don't try to nickel and dime all the data out of your visitors.

It's not like content producing companies are these super profitable behemoths that are just greedy for $1 more. Not using ad trackers would your reduce your revenue by 50% at the minimum - it's how scaled advertisers spend money, if you're not doing it, you're not getting those advertisers. It is indeed a Hobson's choice - do it or stop providing whatever content it is the reader wants.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwawaymath wrote: post #49
jklinger410 wrote: post #42

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The faux-progressive modern perspective is to consider ostensibly true things as literally true.

Do you mind dumbing this down a bit for me? What you wrote has gone completely over my head here. What is "faux-progressive modern" and what is the thing being considered true even if it's only "ostensibly true"?

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Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by Meai »

TekMol wrote: post #6

I think that currently pretty much every service, device and website violates the GDPR. The GDPR requires consent or some other legitimate reason to store data about a person. I see dark patterns everywhere. I never give consent. But I get tracked to death everywhere all the time. Even before I touch anything on a website, it plants dozens of cookies on my machine. But cookies are not even the problem. Fingerprinting…

I had some legitimately scary things that may or may not be tracking but I cannot explain it without tracking. I watch some youtube video where the audio mentions a historic place of battle and then seconds later it shows up in my Google Chrome autosuggestion because I wanted to google some more information on it. I dont see how that is possible, it was a very specific location. I only typed "battle of" and it showed me the exact battle that was just mentioned in the video. I dont see how that is possible unless Google has transcribed the audio of all the videos automatically and uses it for search suggestions. It was nothing I ever searched before, in fact I searched many many other battles and places before that one so it would make more sense for it to show me something I searched previously.

Re: Am I logged in or not? GDPR case study on the example of Chrome browser change

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Post by amdelamar »

noja wrote: post #27
Analemma_ wrote: post #14

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> I don’t understand why the Chrome team is picking this hill to die on Because they’re not “dying on a hill” at all, because nobody cares. Nobody outside Hacker News and Twitter infosec people only followed by other Twitter infosec people cares about this. > I really expect this change to push a lot of people away from chrome Care to bet on that? Because I would happily take the opposite side of that bet. I think th…

> because nobody cares A lot of people do not understand, but we do, we're the techies. It's our job to understand. Don't mistake people not understanding for not caring. Once people understand, they care.

Yeah, but my parents _understand_ Facebook collects/sells their data. But they don't _care_ enough to stop using Facebook.

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Post by gowld »

bad_user wrote: post #62
TekMol wrote: post #6

I think that currently pretty much every service, device and website violates the GDPR. The GDPR requires consent or some other legitimate reason to store data about a person. I see dark patterns everywhere. I never give consent. But I get tracked to death everywhere all the time. Even before I touch anything on a website, it plants dozens of cookies on my machine. But cookies are not even the problem. Fingerprinting…

> I think that currently pretty much every service, device and website violates the GDPR. Not really, my website doesn't :-) In case you're using Google Analytics, it's easy to make it compliant, you just activate IP anonymization, which you had to do anyway, out of common sense and because tracking by IP without consent was illegal anyway in countries like Germany. [1] https://support.google.com/analytics/answer/276…

> I'm sure the cost will be high for many companies, but that's just karma.

What about for companies that do handle user data responsibly, but have trouble with the formal compliance costs?

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