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Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by negamax »

malvosenior wrote: post #147
negamax wrote: post #143

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You are ignoring the fact that our lifestyles have changed completely. We don’t work in the fields and at mercy of cold

How am I ignoring that? I'm saying I actually like a drink now and then. Honestly, your argument seems all over the place.

I am happy to coherently type my argument.

Alcohol consumption in the past was necessity because of cold climate and manual labor. Alcohol is made from ethanol is made from sugarcane and is extremely calories rich. 100 gm beer contains 43 calories. One can contains 154 calories

It was quite fine in the past as most of the calories were burned due to harsh living conditions.

Fast forward to 21st century. We are hardly exposed to extreme cold. We live in extremely protected environments. From temperature controlled office to car to home. But we haven’t changed our drinking habits to reflect that.

Add to that mass media consumption due to profits. We have an epedicmic which can easily be prevented. 5% of all deaths are due to alcohol.

Just visit ED of any hospital on Saturday night if you want to see the ills for yourself

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by malvosenior »

negamax wrote: post #151
malvosenior wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How am I ignoring that? I'm saying I actually like a drink now and then. Honestly, your argument seems all over the place.

I am happy to coherently type my argument. Alcohol consumption in the past was necessity because of cold climate and manual labor. Alcohol is made from ethanol is made from sugarcane and is extremely calories rich. 100 gm beer contains 43 calories. One can contains 154 calories It was quite fine in the past as most of the calories were burned due to harsh living conditions. Fast forward to 21st century. We are hardly…

No doubt alcoholism is bad and shouldn't be encouraged. But there's a huge difference between ending up in the ER and having a craft beer on a Friday after work (and everything in between).

You are discounting the positive psychological benefits that can be attributed to alcohol. Even if it really is bad to ever drink, ever, it's not like you're going to instantly keel over and die, it's a very subtle effect if it's there at all. People will weigh that risk against the benefits they get from drinking and act accordingly.

One could say that a lot of these "soft limits" are already in place due to humanity's long relationship with alcohol. It's already not seen as a good thing to get black out drunk for instance...

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

another-cuppa wrote: post #146
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #138

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No, the issue is simply that the alcohol intake he describes should not have that big of an impact. A few pints of beer or some wine with dinner should not completely wreck the day after, unless there is some medical condition that is worsening the effect. Personally, I don't care of people drink or not, that's their choice. What I'm saying is that his intake was probably heavier than he claims, which would certainly…

My intake was not heavier than I claimed. If you read my post again you'll see that I went for complete abstinence only after drinking became an occasional thing for me. When you drink a few pints of beer once after a month or more of no drinking it has a massive effect. People disputing this have probably never gone more than a week without alcohol. I'm not prepared to maintain a tolerance to alcohol and it makes me…

I occasionally go a month or two without touching alcohol (an appropriate occasion simply doesn't come up for a while), and I simply can't recognize what you say about reduced tolerance and feeling better after a period of abstinence. I simply feel the same as always.

What you seem to be claiming is that we (who enjoy alcohol in moderation and on occasion) are lying to ourselves about how we feel.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

notyourday wrote: post #149
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #139

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Sure, you can build a tolerance, but "a few pints" or "wine with dinner" occasionally will not do it to any noticable degree.

That's not correct. The point is that with no tolerance for alcohol a few pints or a glass of wine with dinner can have an enormous effect for someone who in general eats very clean and does not drink/stopped drinking for a while. It is a very observable thing in among the healthy living crowd: August and September are popular abstain from drinking months in these circles. Meeting these people for dinner in October p…

Certainly not if you're talking a correctly-sized glass of wine, as you would get in a restaurant. A glass of wine does not mean "fill it to the edge".

What you're describing only happens on an empty stomach, which is a mistake anyone should be able to identify easily.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by screye »

akvadrako wrote: post #64
another-cuppa wrote: post #47

Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

Unless you were getting wasted it's quite unusual for a few drinks to make you feel bad. Also, there is more and more a decent selection of But then again, maybe the point of drinking together is it provides some kind of bonding effect, being a shared vice. It makes it harder to lie and shows you value others more than your own health (relatively).

I beg to disagree.

In my case, even a small amount of alcohol consumption will make me feel heavy in my abdomen the morning after.

People in my family have historically been alcohol drinkers. So idk why, but it helps since I dislike drinking anyways.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by negamax »

malvosenior wrote: post #152
negamax wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am happy to coherently type my argument. Alcohol consumption in the past was necessity because of cold climate and manual labor. Alcohol is made from ethanol is made from sugarcane and is extremely calories rich. 100 gm beer contains 43 calories. One can contains 154 calories It was quite fine in the past as most of the calories were burned due to harsh living conditions. Fast forward to 21st century. We are hardly…

No doubt alcoholism is bad and shouldn't be encouraged. But there's a huge difference between ending up in the ER and having a craft beer on a Friday after work (and everything in between). You are discounting the positive psychological benefits that can be attributed to alcohol. Even if it really is bad to ever drink, ever , it's not like you're going to instantly keel over and die, it's a very subtle effect if it's…

Don’t get me wrong. Personal choice precedes everything. I do think however that there’s lack of information spread. And profit seeking encourage drinking and discount the ill effects.

Facts weigh against alcohol consumption and I hope people choose their, societal and environmental health

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by airstrike »

kardos wrote: post #127
airstrike wrote: post #117

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> full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. > My diet is very well-controlled Pick one

You've posed a false choice, well-controlled quantities of high fat/salt/carb food is not a conundrum

Carb-heavy and well-controlled mean different things.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by BrandoElFollito »

btrettel wrote: post #67
another-cuppa wrote: post #47

Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

> The interesting thing is how people react to it. For some reason you are expected to provide a reason for why you don't drink. I don't smoke either but nobody asks me why. I've noticed also that it makes people uncomfortable if you're not drinking. When I do go out now I drink diet soft drinks so that I don't get constantly asked why I don't have a drink. Reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-X2zPMB…

It depends on the country.

In France we were raised on water (school, home - surely tzp wzter in large quantities) then wine and beer (not that much soft drinks compared to US).

When you go to the restaurant, it is meal to order tap water (no matter the restaurant) and often you will find some people drinking water, some other wine. Yesterday (upscale restaurant) it was 50/50 at my table

In z bar people commonly take a juice when other take alcohol.

Nobody ever saw that as weird in my circle of friends (an average and quite random one)

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Post by jakobegger »

nealabq wrote: post #73
rpeden wrote: post #71

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In this case, ASA is Aspirin.

I am surprised that taking a baby aspirin every day may turn out to be harmful. It's been common wisdom for years, and now it may (or may not) be wrong. Like the advice that chocolate and red wine is good for you.

If some drug was unconditionally good for us, why haven't our bodies evolved to secrete that drug on their own?
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