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Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by zbentley »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #254
jamespo wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Took a while but we got to "work for free for visibility"

Well, sure. If you want to do something but can't find anyone who wants to pay you for it, then you need to accept that this work has infinitesimal value, and either don't perform it, or leverage it into something people will pay for.

Or don’t try to make money off of it and make it because you like making it.

I agree with your statements above. Just pointing out that revenue is not the automatic goal of every human endeavor.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by TeMPOraL »

zbentley wrote: post #271
TeMPOraL wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, sure. If you want to do something but can't find anyone who wants to pay you for it, then you need to accept that this work has infinitesimal value, and either don't perform it, or leverage it into something people will pay for.

Or don’t try to make money off of it and make it because you like making it. I agree with your statements above. Just pointing out that revenue is not the automatic goal of every human endeavor.

Yes, that too. In fact this is my favourite subset of the Internet. It's usually of the highest quality, and most trustworthy.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by MarcysVonEylau »

Everyone says to dump Chrome, and suggest other platforms that are comparable from a users perspective. But what about DevTools? Chrome has by far the best Web Development capabilities out of any other browser. Is there any single alternative or a set of tools that can match it?

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #209
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #93

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I would appreciate it more if people mentioned why my comment doesn't contribute to the discussion, but I think it's more realistic to say that I've been downvoted simply because someone didn't like what I had to say.

I didn't downvote you, but perhaps people are thinking that attitudes like the one presented in your original comment are what lead to IE6 and the general state of the internet in the late 90s / early 2000s?

Could be; I can understand that.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by abjKT26nO8 »

foxX wrote: post #257
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #226

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Also, simply making the source-code visible to all, helps keeps the honest guys honest. That's true even if the licence isn't truly Free and Open Source. No-one dares to commit spyware to GitHub.

The fact that the source code is available does not guarantee that the blob is the product of that source.

This is why there is the "Reproducible Builds"[0] initiative from Debian folks.

[0] https://reproducible-builds.org/

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by kodablah »

mythz wrote: post #84

My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

One I made: https://cretz.github.io/doogie/. Admittedly a bit behind on Chromium (updated locally for myself, deploying this week) and no macOS support yet.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

ascar wrote: post #267
MaxBarraclough wrote: post #226

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Also, simply making the source-code visible to all, helps keeps the honest guys honest. That's true even if the licence isn't truly Free and Open Source. No-one dares to commit spyware to GitHub.

> No-one dares to commit spyware to GitHub. I see where you are coming from, but this is simply not true. You can argue nobody concerned with his own reputation commits spyware to a public repo, but malicious actors are usually not concerned with that or try to stay anonymous in the first place. Here is a recent example of malicious commits to a github repo: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17458329

> You can argue nobody concerned with his own reputation commits spyware to a public repo, but malicious actors are usually not concerned with that or try to stay anonymous in the first place.

It's not so black-and-white though, hence "keeps the honest guys honest". Are Microsoft and Google 'malicious actors'? They're hungry for our data, but they often only do it when they don't think we'll be able to find out what they're doing. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17749330

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by lucb1e »

grive wrote: post #219
lucb1e wrote: post #175

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What does email have to do with switching browsers? Last I heard Gmail also works on Firefox.

Google uses non-standard extensions that only Chrome supports for Gmail and Youtube. For neutral email apps, Firefox runs perfectly fine. For Gmail, it will be slightly slower than Chrome.

Oh wow, I did not know that. I guess that's one way to give a few million Gmail users a reason to install Chrome...

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by ilikehurdles »

piyush_soni wrote: post #245
astonex wrote: post #168

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We're actually the largest tech company in South Korea, not a completely random vendor. We also own LINE messenger which is probably more known.

Thanks. You still didn't answer what is its (unique) selling point though. e.g. Why should I use it over this 'ungoogled Chromium' itself, or say Firefox?

The website has a list of features that differentiate it.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Post by partiallypro »

mythz wrote: post #132
partiallypro wrote: post #127

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I'm not sure what you don't get. It's not just about Chrome. Decoupling Google services from Chromium is more than about Chrome itself, it's a backlash against Google and data collection at large. You could just promote Firefox instead of Vivaldi, but you didn't. Why not? I assume because you like choice...and that choice should continue to extend on mobile platforms.

> I'm not sure what you don't get. Because you're not clear on what exactly your grievances are with Vivalidi/Brave/Opera using the Blink rendering engine and how exactly does using Safari on iOS or Firefox on Android enforce Google data collection? > It's not just about Chrome. Decoupling Google services from Chromium is more than about Chrome itself, it's a backlash against Google and data collection at large. You…

If you don't understand what I'm trying to say after 5 or so replies, I don't think I'll ever be able to communicate it.
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