Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

Post by lsh » Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

brongondwana wrote: post #406

ahje wrote: post #348

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While you're absolutely right, details that are sensitive in nature should be encrypted using end-to-end encryption. Otherwise you won't be safe regardless of email provider, as the other correspondents will often be using a US email provider anyway. If your threat model includes an actual threat from organizations like the NSA, then I'd say you have bigger problems than the choice of email provider. EDIT: I self hos…

Interestingly, as a self-hoster your email is much more prone to metadata analysis than anybody who is hosted at one of the big providers and has most of their email transferred to other big providers down TLS-protected port 25 streams.

Post by naravara » Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 1:45 PM UTC

lallysingh wrote: post #319

mikejb wrote: post #305

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IIUC, no judicial order is required for collecting. Only for looking at collected data; but agencies get creative around these processes, so I wouldn't count on legal protection from snooping.

But there's nothing to circumvent if the host isn't in the USA.

Post by bluGill » Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 1:48 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #379

brongondwana wrote: post #356

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Basically the problem was datacentre network reliability, power reliability, and the pointlessness of having one EU datacentre which isn't reliable enough to run production out of. We'd still need to replicate to a second datacentre for multi-site safety. At that point, why bother? We'd have to run two EU datacentres to have data only in EU, and we'd still be under the same actual legal jurisdiction (Australia) eithe…

We haven't ever given data to US authorities directly, we point every single request from anyone to the Mutual Assistance Treaty with Australia, and that would be the same regardless of where servers are. The EU is outside the jurisdiction of FISA courts, whereas New York is not. I am definitely not an expert or lawyer, but I would think this is not just security theater. I was always hoping that Fastmail offer hosti…

Post by doon123 » Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 1:50 PM UTC

plicense wrote: post #302

rajuvegesna wrote: post #94

Zoho Mail is a strong option. Comes with mobile apps, supports all standard protocols (IMAP/POP/ActiveSync), includes Calendar and many other modules. Zero tracking. Zero ads. Beyond Mail, Zoho offers several apps that can replace most of what Google offers. From Docs to office suite, note-taking to chat and many more. (Disclosure: I am with Zoho)

To be honest, I would stay away from Zoho. I know a couple of friends who work there and they frequently mention having access to raw email contents with minimal supervision. That's now how I want my email to be treated by the company hosting my email services.

Post by doon123 » Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 1:51 PM UTC

nilsocket wrote: post #343

ylere wrote: post #206

Does anyone know a (preferably self-hosted, but can be commercial) mail client that is as as good Gmail for power users? I always found it rather straightforward have a custom domain and even operate my own mail server, but haven't been able to do the same for the client. The features most important to me are: - Gmails speed and accuracy in search, especially on large mailboxes (100k+ emails) - this one is usually th…

How about Zoho mail