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YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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Honest question, what happens when you lose one of these ?

You should have backup 2FA methods for that case, either more tokens at different locations or other 2FA methods like TOTP or printed one-time backup codes or all of these together.

I say take a morning and print out all your one-time recovery keys, put them in an envelope, and put that envelope next to your other important but rarely used documents.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #24

Honest question, what happens when you lose one of these ?

I use the yubikey for OpenPGP (with SSH) and I took care to generate the keys on my computer then back them up appropriately. I can restore to any new yubikey quickly (tested).

It's also easy to get two yubikeys and have a backup ready to use immediately.

As to U2F, there is always a backup method (usually TOTP generated by Google Authenticator, and additionally recovery codes).

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #24

Honest question, what happens when you lose one of these ?

I have a basic Yubikey (USB only) that I got from having an Ars Technica subscription. Right now I have that + Authy so that none of the critical services are Yubikey-only.

If I get the new Yubikey, my plan is to put the old one in a safe as a backup.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's smart to buy two at the same time. While you can't copy a Yubikey, you can choose how to initialize them and you can initialize both identical to one another and then lock them down. That way they're copies of one another and fully backed up. I keep my main one on me at all times and have my backup in a safe place.

Do you have a link to the docs that shows this? From what I can find on their site [1] it only supports a few of the protocols: -Static Password -HMAC-SHA1 Challenge-Response -OATH-TOTP (Yubico Authenticator) [1] https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/150000...

IMHO the YubiKey is not useful for any of those. It's excellent for storing OpenPGP keys and U2F, reasonably good for X.509 (as much as expected for X.509 I guess), and not good for much else. Using it for TOTP IMHO makes no sense, it's better to use your phone.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For 2FA, having multiple of these or some kind of recovery code tends to be the answer, as you can remove the keys from sites you use it on. I am less willing to use something like this for passwordless logins. These types of devices should be part of the "something you have" part of 2FA, which should always be paired with a "something you know". Maybe I'm missing a step here, but why would you ever use this for pass…

Because the something you know part isn't all that secure anyway? https://xkcd.com/538/

it is a different level of security. The comic is fully correct, but you should still use a secret. That is why there are 3 different types of authentication. The first is something you have - a card or key. The second is something you know - a password. The third is something you are - a fingerprint. Each provides protection against a different attack and is vulnerable to different attacks. The more important the secret the more of them you should use.

Note that you quickly get to the point where you need more than one person involved. You can compromise one person as much as you want, but if that person doesn't have the complete secret it doesn't do any good.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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This is fantastic! I'm super psyched about this. > Works on Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux and on major browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, and Opera [1] I looked everywhere for documentation of Safari support but came up empty-handed. Does anyone know where this is documented? I've been waiting for this since forever. [1]: https://www.yubico.com/product/yubikey-5-nfc/

Looks like Webauthn support is being added to Safari.

https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181943

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

#48

This is fantastic! I'm super psyched about this. > Works on Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux and on major browsers such as Chrome, Firefox, Safari, Edge, and Opera [1] I looked everywhere for documentation of Safari support but came up empty-handed. Does anyone know where this is documented? I've been waiting for this since forever. [1]: https://www.yubico.com/product/yubikey-5-nfc/

Looks like Webauthn support is being added to Safari. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=181943

Great find, thank you! This is exactly what I was looking for. Weird that it's nowhere to be found in the Safari 12 release notes.

Re: YubiKey 5 Series with New NFC and FIDO2 Passwordless Features

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Technical Manual at https://support.yubico.com/support/solutions/articles/150000... : > Like FIDO U2F, the FIDO2 standard offers the same high level of security, as it is based on public key cryptography. In addition to providing unphishable two-factor authentication, the FIDO2 application on the YubiKey allows for the storage of resident credentials. As the resident credentials can store the username and other data,…

My understanding is that for udf / fido2 authentication, keys are not stored but rather regenerated with an HMAC

https://developers.yubico.com/U2F/Protocol_details/Key_gener...

I'm curious what these resident keys are for.

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