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Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I’m using ProtonMail with the free plan for more than 6 month now, still have some husk from Gmail being auto fowrorded to it. And for work I use gsuite for now.

ProtonMail only did one thing wrong lately. They’ve added a payers feature a @pm.me short domain and allowing for the free users to only receive emails with this address. That was irritating and absurd, so I’m still thing if I want to move to move completely.

Fastmail recycling makes them irrelevant.

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You should be using your own domain anyways.

I do this and make a new alias for everyone I give an address to (such as hn@domain.com). It can be interesting to see who leaks/sell your email address. You can also shut down alias that get out of control.

Fastmail has an even nicer feature: subdomain addressing. If you are dave@mp.com, you can set up Fastmail to accept subdomains

dave@hn.mp.com

dave@lobsters.mp.com

Avoids catchalls ;).

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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You should be using your own domain anyways.

Last time I tried this, I found a lot of corporate spam filters seemed to (silently) drop my emails, so I went back to using GMail out of frustration. Is there anything you do that helps with this? I was using GApps and I don't think my domain name was too spammy (samlewis.me).

Make sure you setup SPF/DKIM/DMARC and you should be fine 99% of the time.

- Disclosure, I work for dmarcian

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For the self-hosted folks there are: https://mailcow.email/ - dockerized, works with multiple domains, sogo for groupware. Compared to mailinabox's single disk, it has 6 docker volumes to keep track of. https://mailu.io/ - dockerized, it has a section on kubernetes deployments, which i find weird, but I guess could make sense for companies https://mailinabox.email/ - no docker, no multiple domains, roundcube, nextclo…

> https://mailinabox.email/ - no docker, no multiple domains, roundcube, nextcloud for groupware. Main disadvantage or advantage, depending on your perspective is that you need a mailinabox server per domain. Are you sure? I am running mailinabox and have multiple domains and accounts with no issue.

Same here. Ran many domains on a single server for a long time

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Zoho Mail is a strong option. Comes with mobile apps, supports all standard protocols (IMAP/POP/ActiveSync), includes Calendar and many other modules. Zero tracking. Zero ads. Beyond Mail, Zoho offers several apps that can replace most of what Google offers. From Docs to office suite, note-taking to chat and many more. (Disclosure: I am with Zoho)

To be honest, I would stay away from Zoho. I know a couple of friends who work there and they frequently mention having access to raw email contents with minimal supervision. That's now how I want my email to be treated by the company hosting my email services.

Yikes. Thanks for sharing, this is noted.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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> > With the recent thread on privacy in Chrome, I'm thinking of switching off Gmail. > OK, so the email provider is considered an adversary. I don't think Gmail is considered an adversary, it's just that you can now no longer log in to Gmail without also logging in to the same account in Chrome, which is a stupid non-user-friendly feature.

Why is that an issue if you trust Google? Indeed, in that case, they're doing something that is user-friendly. Because stuff arguably works more reliably if you're logged in to both Google and Chrome. And if you don't trust Google, they're at least effectively an adversary. In the most favorable light, that they're doing something that might compromise your privacy.

I'm not as usually concerned about this as some are, but I appreciate that others are. As much as I enjoy Google products, I want there to be 50 other options out there that work great and have their own advantages. I wish there was more competition, in general, for most things on ye ole information super-highway.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I like to extend the question: Which online mail provider has many or just some third party integrations, in particular those offering mail merge and per recipient email tracking.

Gmail is here unfortunately by far the leading product.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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Because the service provider receives the unencrypted email and can choose to save a copy, encrypt it to a different key, etc. This was the scam Lavabit pulled, and the government called them on their bluff and asked for a copy of the key and Lavabit had no legal ability to refuse. If the threat model does not include a government with the ability to use legal process, it needs to be defined more precisely. In genera…

Calling Lavabit a scam is a bit of a stretch. They, by all appearances, genuinely tried to offer email as secure as it could be, given the limitations of the protocol, and when pressured to give up the keys chose instead to inform their users and fold the business.

They made promises that they should have known were impossible to keep. In my books, that's a scam. Sure, they tried very hard to keep them, but that doesn't change the fact that they could not deliver on their promises and anyone could have told them that.

Also, no, they did not inform their users. They handed over the key and waited for users to notice court documents.

See my previous comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13447340#13448609

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I do this and make a new alias for everyone I give an address to (such as hn@domain.com). It can be interesting to see who leaks/sell your email address. You can also shut down alias that get out of control.

I do this too but sometimes companies reject my replies because the from address isn't the same address they have on record. Maybe there's a way to make the "reply's from" the same as the "original's to" but idk.

With FastMail, you can select your wildcard as your "from" address on their web app, and just directly edit the `*` to be `` and it will work fine :)
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