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Linux – The beginning of the end?
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Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was the same for me when Go introduced the CoC. I remember a witch-hunt conducted by someone on one of the important developers because of his language on some other forum. It just reeked of BS and pseudo superiority. I consider myself tolerant and liberal yet I find it bad. I wish people realise that CoC is not a passive constitution. It becomes an active weapon.. and most victims are the ones who actually contri…
Rust, the programming language project, is one of the most inclusive projects there is, and they have a strong CoC. They seem to be doing fine. I don't think this is going to kill Linux. As for Linus's vacation/break/whatever, it's good that they're practicing giving the reins away. It is bound to happen at some future anyway. It's equally good that they're practicing behaving well, because it's quite possible that t…
> is one of the most inclusive projects there is
There is absolutely no proof a CoC drives "inclusiveness", whatever it means, however there are multiple examples where codes of conducts were used to exclude contributors because they said something someone did not like in a setting completely unrelated to the project community.
https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm...
CoC are political tools to eliminate diversity of ideas and impose an "intersectional" mindset on all contributors, under threat of exclusion.
Larry did not harass anybody in the Drupal community yet was kicked out of any official Drupal related conferences and cannot contribute to the project anymore, just because he shared a fetish with his wife someone did not approve of.
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#13I really, genuinely, don't understand why such a bland code of conduct would be a turn off to anyone. I may not be easy to be around, but I try not to be abrasive while, at the same time, making clear why I think something is the way I think. If you think someone is wrong very often, I believe saying why the person is wrong on every occasion will provide them with actionable information much better than calling them…
Agree.
Open Source values will still remain - working in a transparent, open (not always nice) way.
More with CoC, harassing people will not be tolerated
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#14I just want to reiterate what glandium wrote in a comment further down:
"He didn't step down. He's taking a break. It's not the first time he takes a break either. Let's not be too alarmist."
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#15I am a gay man[0] who has contributed to a number of open source projects significantly. However I stopped when they implemented “Code of Conducts” that deny basic rights such as innocent until proven guilty and the right to face your accuser. (The popular one keeps accusers anonymous, thus the victim has no chance to defend themselves.)
The truth is a maintainer can eject someone without a CoC. The purpose of CoC, as stated by its author in her very bigoted and hostile twitter feed is to eradicate meritocracy.
CoC lets some random person with a political axe to grind derail a project with accusations about things done outside the project (Eg a disagreement on twitter) backed up with a gang of people accusing the project maintainers of being bigots if they don’t eject their intended victim.[1]
This is bullying.
I won’t invest time in projects where the contributors are not respected and maintainers will listen to a politically motivated mob over reason.
Since the proponents of CoCs seemingly are always people who violate them constantly (under the CoC its own author should be kicked from every project that adopts it based on her twitter comments) it’s clear the intention is not to protect anyone.
The intention is to force their politics into open source projects.
[0] This means I get to see abuse from straight bigots as well as SJWs who hate me for being male and apparently think preferring men is discrimination against women! (Or so they have told me on twitter.). I only mention I’m gay here so you understand I’m not some neonazi. I’ve been jumped outside a bar and called a faggot in Oklahoma, but I don’t feel these “codes of conduct” do anything to protect me, quite the opposite. So they don’t address the key case that I’m guessing HN users will assume they do. Gay men are considered highly privileged these days, and thus subhuman.
[1] There are many examples, check the reddit threads in /r/Linux of the abuse of CoC.
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#16I really think the internet should calm down; this is not even the first time Linus Torvalds takes a break — and in 2005, the result was git.
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rust, the programming language project, is one of the most inclusive projects there is, and they have a strong CoC. They seem to be doing fine. I don't think this is going to kill Linux. As for Linus's vacation/break/whatever, it's good that they're practicing giving the reins away. It is bound to happen at some future anyway. It's equally good that they're practicing behaving well, because it's quite possible that t…
> is one of the most inclusive projects there is There is absolutely no proof a CoC drives "inclusiveness", whatever it means, however there are multiple examples where codes of conducts were used to exclude contributors because they said something someone did not like in a setting completely unrelated to the project community. https://www.inc.com/sonya-mann/drupal-larry-garfield-gor.htm... CoC are political tools to…
>CoC are political tools to eliminate diversity of ideas
How so?
Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It was the same for me when Go introduced the CoC. I remember a witch-hunt conducted by someone on one of the important developers because of his language on some other forum. It just reeked of BS and pseudo superiority. I consider myself tolerant and liberal yet I find it bad. I wish people realise that CoC is not a passive constitution. It becomes an active weapon.. and most victims are the ones who actually contri…
Rust, the programming language project, is one of the most inclusive projects there is, and they have a strong CoC. They seem to be doing fine. I don't think this is going to kill Linux. As for Linus's vacation/break/whatever, it's good that they're practicing giving the reins away. It is bound to happen at some future anyway. It's equally good that they're practicing behaving well, because it's quite possible that t…
I like Rust and all, but its hype obscures any real result. You see posts everywhere telling that the language is great and here are some features of it, but it's not as widely used as talked about. And also it's not like there is noticeable "diversity" Rust supposed to encourage among people who make things with it.
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Re: Linux – The beginning of the end?
#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Rust, the programming language project, is one of the most inclusive projects there is, and they have a strong CoC. They seem to be doing fine. I don't think this is going to kill Linux. As for Linus's vacation/break/whatever, it's good that they're practicing giving the reins away. It is bound to happen at some future anyway. It's equally good that they're practicing behaving well, because it's quite possible that t…
I like Rust and all, but its hype obscures any real result. You see posts everywhere telling that the language is great and here are some features of it, but it's not as widely used as talked about. And also it's not like there is noticeable "diversity" Rust supposed to encourage among people who make things with it.
By "doing fine", I refer to them having real, measurable progress on every single release (which happens every 6 weeks like clockwork) since 1.0 and probably before too, plus the ecosystem growing.