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Why I’m done with Chrome

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Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by masswerk »

dannyw wrote: post #253
masswerk wrote: post #135

Something, I missed in the article, is Chrome's background in WebKit. (Rather, it seems to convey the impression that this was an original project by Google.) Anyway, this may also directing us towards a viable alternative: A new, independent and cross-platform repackaging of WebKit2 / WebCore.

Any problems with Safari?

Webkit and Safari were meant synonymous, Webkit referring to the framework, Safari to the specific application packaging.

On a practical level, it's been quite some time since Safari isn't cross-platform anymore. Also, it's fixed to a specific version of the operating system, which also applies to the open source Webkit release. I'd love to see an implementation with less external dependencies.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by codethief »

hexane360 wrote: post #528
RobertRoberts wrote: post #404

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When Gmail came out, I said to people "as long as it stays on gmail.com then they can't use email scraping with your search history. No privacy issues." (or minmal ones) Within a few months of Gmail going public it changed from gmail.com to gmail.google.com or google.com/gmail or some such thing, and I knew instantly they had bamboozled everyone. That was years ago, the rest has been the expected trend.

Why does the front-facing domain have anything to do with what data they can or cannot collect?

Because cookies are bound to a domain. So once Gmail moved to google.com/mail, the Gmail cookies started carrying over to the search on google.com, meaning that Google could correlate your search terms with your account.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by pymai »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #10

Firefox is a truly fantastic browser now. I've been using it again for about 2 years and haven't regretted it at all. There have been a couple of weird feature hiccups but generally Mozilla seems to get things right.

I use Firefox every now and then just for reading articles so my main browser doesn't get bloated with tabs, but it runs far from fantastic on my computer for some reason.

whenever a page loads all the elements move around for a second or two before they settle in their right place. that would crack me up if I had to put up with that all day

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by vishnugupta »

thrower123 wrote: post #448
SystemOut wrote: post #410

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There are other search engines and one can easily just type bing.com into their browser and set it as the default. Even on Chrome. I'm not sure why you remember MS the way you do. There was a much much larger barrier for consumers to move to a different OS. If you owned a PC you pretty much had to run Windows. And MS made it extremely difficult to use a non-IE browser in the OS. That doesn't mean I think they're inno…

I have never used IE as my primary browser... I'm sort of amazed at anyone that does use the OS-native browser as their default, because it has almost always been an inferior choice.

For the vast majority of the target audience (i.e., not tech savvy mostly) Internet is the OS-native browser. I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know what a "browser" is in the first place.

As an analogy, during my childhood days when photocopiers came out in India they were mostly Xerox machines. So Xerox became a verb and has stayed a verb to this day. So much so that you will find "Xerox shops"[1] in all Indian cities and people won't understand what a photocopier shop is :-)

[1]: https://goo.gl/maps/M2TSWXLfqc22

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Post by the_clarence »

brian-armstrong wrote: post #10

Firefox is a truly fantastic browser now. I've been using it again for about 2 years and haven't regretted it at all. There have been a couple of weird feature hiccups but generally Mozilla seems to get things right.

It's the best browser objectively, because it has tree style tabs, it's also a bad browser because it doesn't have a native support for tabs on the side.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by the_clarence »

jwr wrote: post #389
hellofunk wrote: post #22

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I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

If you are on MacOS, why don't you use Safari? I'm puzzled as to why people seem to dismiss the "built-in" browser. It's the fastest, smoothest, best integrated, and least power-hungry browser on the platform. I regularly use all three major browsers (for testing, I write web applications) and I consistently switch back to Safari for all my non-special browsing.

It lacks tree style tabs.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by the_clarence »

PakG1 wrote: post #447
hellofunk wrote: post #22

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I wish I could use it but it has serious performance problems on macOS. I tried and it was just terrible. (thought not all Mac users have problems, quite a number do, and Mozilla has an open issue asking for debugging logs from Macs to find the reasons).

Really? When I complained about Firefox performance on macOS, I was downvoted by a lot of people. It almost made me consider if the problem was PEBKAC (problem exists between keyboard and chair). I am glad I'm not the only one. I wanted to love Firefox, but I can't because of this. edit: reading all the comments in this thread, geez, I finally feel like I'm not a stupid user. :) The issues are real!

Yup. Firefox is slow as hell on my mac. I've tried everything and nothing works.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by Legogris »

The clear break for me came in version 39. I am staying on Chromium 38 for the few sites and extensions where I still depend on Chrome and using Firefox for everything else. Once version 38 becomes obsolete I will stop using Chromium alltogether.

Re: Why I’m done with Chrome

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Post by zdkl »

randomsearch wrote: post #561
stephenhuey wrote: post #413

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I was excited by “Don’t be evil” back in the early days. But maybe they should’ve chosen “Don’t be stupid or evil” because their amnesia, arrogance and carelessness remind me of so many hilarious sad stories from the early days in the tech industry as recounted in this book which I own: In Search of Stupidity: Over Twenty Years of High Tech Marketing Disasters

“Don’t forget not to be evil” I don’t believe the founders have had personality transplant, so why has google become evil?

It's not evil it's shareholder... value... optimisation ! I blame corporate on that one.
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