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Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'd love to switch away from Gmail, but its security is so compelling that, afaik, nobody else comes close. How many other companies have Tavis Ormandy's on staff to do security audits for their users, let alone free users? Is there a single other email provider that gets security right to the extent Google does?

Yeah I completely agree this is something that needs consideration. I do have an email address with my own domain but for security reasons any accounts I create are tied to my gmail address. I've known too many people who have had personal domain email addresses intercepted, particularly through compromised domain/DNS settings. One simple MX record adjustment could mean every single bank account, social media profile…

Are you able to link to some info on how email could be compromised this way? I'd be interested to learn how to secure my domain.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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ProtonMail's security is formidable, but the messages are encrypted in such a way as to not be searchable. If security is your concern and long-term search isn't, consider giving them a go. Great mobile app, too.

Their "end-to-end" encryption claims as well as their schtick about being hosted in Switzerland make it abundantly clear that I will never trust their security. I would go so far as to use almost any other major email provider over ProtonMail.

Could you be more specific about these 2 issues you have?

I mean, of course the actual transit of the email from the sender to your inbox is out of their control, but after that client-side decryption is entirely feasible.

And what is wrong with hosting in Switzerland? Switzerland has very strong privacy laws.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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i doubt that MS is an improvement over Google when it comes to privacy concerns.

MSFT doesn't read your email to target you with ads.

You really don't know that.

MS built Win10 to spy on you and build a business from data mining. Why would they not do that for email? (Or, more likely, change Outlook's ToS to allow it once you are hooked.)

You could say that of any email provider, but ProtonMail is under GDPR so it makes it a safer alternative.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ProtonMail's security is formidable, but the messages are encrypted in such a way as to not be searchable. If security is your concern and long-term search isn't, consider giving them a go. Great mobile app, too.

Their "end-to-end" encryption claims as well as their schtick about being hosted in Switzerland make it abundantly clear that I will never trust their security. I would go so far as to use almost any other major email provider over ProtonMail.

I don't really like them anymore (for similar reasons), but I don't know as I would put all other providers over them. Certainly, I think they're miles better than gmail.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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I'd like to switch to Fastmail, but I have a handful of seldom-used secondary accounts (e.g., for family members), and it doesn't make sense to pay $5/mo/each when they're free on G Suite. Their pricing structure is designed for organizations or single users, but somehow my use case falls in between. It seems a bit off that my household can stream as many movies as we want for $11/mo, or have unlimited access to an e…

maybe https://posteo.de/en (Berlin based) would make sense for you or your family accounts ? It's just 1 EUR/mo for basic accounts and they focus on privacy, security and being sustainable.

Those are the guys that don't let you use special chars in passwords "in order to prevent unintentional wrong password entries".

Also, it doesn't work on your domain.

Re: Ask HN: Best alternative to Gmail?

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FastMail. It's one of the few third party hosts to support push email on iOS with the native Mail app (it's a custom protocol based on APNS), since Mail doesn't implement IMAP IDLE [1]. They are also the main sponsors behind the JMAP protocol [2] and some open source projects such as the Cyrus IMAP server. [1]: https://fastmail.blog/2016/12/21/what-we-talk-about-when-we-... [2]: https://jmap.io

Switched to Fastmail many years ago when self hosting became too time consuming for me. Never looked back. I had to use their support only very occasionally and even then their reaction time and competence were outstanding.

They do just one thing - email - and do that very, very well.

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