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Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Thanks for the correction, either way, I view it as a problem that you can't (easily?) decouple in iOS. Some of these browsers listed have no mobile version, at least not ones fully baked. That alone forces people into the hands of the mobile defaults like Chrome and Safari.

> I view it as a problem What kind of problem? It makes web browsing stable as the internal engine is tested by Apple without third party bringing their own with updates at random moments and from web developer's perspective, they get a predictable result within iOS without effort and from those, I don't see a problem from users' perspective too. Maybe you work for Mozilla.

> from web developer's perspective, they get a predictable result within iOS without effort and from those...

> Maybe you work for Mozilla.

Maybe you're a lazy web developer.

The only thing I miss on iPhone is Gecko. I often run into website that doesn't render properly in Safari and at that point I want to have an alternative rendering engine that would solve the problem. Currently I have to find a desktop computer for it.

This has become such a problem lately, because some of the websites I often use and need to get important information from have this issue, so I always have to be sure that I'll have desktop computer around or carry an Android tablet with me.

Next time I buy a phone, it will be Android unless Apple changes their policy on browser rendering engine. If I knew this worked the way it works, I would have never bought the iPhone in the first place.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Unfortunately Google and Firefox are a bit joined at the hip, but it's better than outright being the same thing.

How are they joined at the hip, other than Google being the default search engine that is easy to change in the preferences menu?

In 2014, Google paid most of the $300m or so of Mozilla's revenue.

You realize Mozilla makes good documentation but get how it has enough money to do so. They have too much money for what they do.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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No, that doesn't fix it. It has always been possible to build chromium, just not in a way that meets fdroid's requirements (i.e., build with a foss stack on their debian vm). This is the most current fdroid issue from what I can tell: https://gitlab.com/fdroid/rfp/issues/378

That's sad Chromium cannot being built without binary Google blobs for now, but that would be much better to have Chromium (ungoogled) in f-droid - with a 'anti-feature' sign - than to not have it at all.

It's already there on the bromite repository. If you go to bromite's page, they have an f-droid repo which has both bromite and vanialla chromium. It will not get into fdroid proper until it's fully compliant (given they also get the build resources, which is also challenging)

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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I'm using https://iridiumbrowser.de

Lots of browsers are mentioned in this thread, before clicking each one it might be nice to know a few things like whether it's open source and how development is sustained.

I don't see a reason to trust anything without a track record when it comes to a browser.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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What about SWARE Iron? https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php It is supposed to be the version of Chromium without the Google crap, right? I use it at times to test it out as I test out different websites on different browsers. They have it for different platforms: https://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php

Why would you post a link to a software with 3 news in the last 9 years? Are you affiliated?

All their tweets seem like just version bump of base Chromium.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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> There are humans on the other side producing that content, they have as much right for being compensated for their efforts as we do. They have a right to ask for compensation, and a right to require it. They have no right to be compensated, if they choose to give away the content for free. That would be saying they have a right to force people to be generous. Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative,…

> Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative, it's trying to guilt-trip people into abandoning their self interest for free. Your attestation usage of "manipulative" is attempting to manipulate in itself. Like I said everyone is technically free to do what they want, but it doesn't change the fact that starving content producers of micro ad revenue goes against their wishes which in most cases deprives th…

Content creators have unilaterally decided that it's ok to sometimes infect their "customers" with malware and give their information to hundreds of third parties.

Content creators have been acting like assholes and now they're seeing the consequences.

Crying crocodile tears of unfairness won't change that, it's just wasting people's time. If those content creators can't get people to pay for their content, it means their content is worthless.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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My preference for a well supported Chromium-based browser that's not Chrome would be to use one of the "Blink" based browsers: https://vivaldi.com https://brave.com https://www.opera.com Opera was purchased by a Chinese consortium, I'm not a fan of Brave's hijacking of ad spaces so my preference is currently vivaldi - which was founded by co-founder and former CEO of Opera and has been adding new innovative features…

I'm not a huge fan of the ad hijacking, but I find the proprietary license for Vivaldi more off-putting that the open license that Brave uses.

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Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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Why does this add various flags an knobs to disable ipv6? Disabling ipv6 has nothing to do with de-googling Chrome. What is it with people disabling rather than fixing their ipv6 config (and then possibly complaining about slow adoption)?

Chromium tests if IPv6 is working by connecting to Google's DNS servers with it. This changes it to manual control so these servers can't track that connection.

There is a change to that which preserves functionality:

-// Google DNS address used for IPv6 probes. +/* RIPE NCC k.root-servers.net. 2001:7fd::1 (anycasted) */

So that's not it.

Re: Modifications to Google Chromium for removing Google integration

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post #158

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> There are humans on the other side producing that content, they have as much right for being compensated for their efforts as we do. They have a right to ask for compensation, and a right to require it. They have no right to be compensated, if they choose to give away the content for free. That would be saying they have a right to force people to be generous. Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative,…

> Whining about ad-blockers is simply being manipulative, it's trying to guilt-trip people into abandoning their self interest for free. Your attestation usage of "manipulative" is attempting to manipulate in itself. Like I said everyone is technically free to do what they want, but it doesn't change the fact that starving content producers of micro ad revenue goes against their wishes which in most cases deprives th…

> but it doesn't change the fact that starving content producers of micro ad revenue goes against their wishes which in most cases deprives them of their sole revenue source

Choice of revenue source is, well, a choice. It's not like we're talking about some poor third-world kids, for whom the only choice is between starvation and building ad-powered content farms. It's all just people who asked themselves, "how can I make me some money?", and out of countless of possible business models, chose this particular one, which is giving stuff away for free, attaching a malicious secondary payload to it, and hoping that this secondary payload will generate some money.

> No the web is not a social contract, it's a combination of technologies.

It's that combination of technologies that create this contract. Those technologies create a particular platform, with particular set of rules. It provides ways of giving things away, as well as asking for compensation. It provides ways of saying "strings attached". Unfortunately, many people choose to use the "give things away, no strings attached" path and then, after giving a thing away, demand to be paid. And it's even fine, as long as they realize many people will just brush their latter demand away, as it's silly and improper.

> The implicit social contract is for Content producers to create content consumers want which is consumed in the way they want their content served.

Oh, no no no. Not the last part. Why on Earth I, as a consumer, would agree to a producer dictating how I consume the content after I get it? I have the right to consume it the way I want, and the Web tech stack is built around preserving this right. The producer's right is to structure the content for particular consumption. A paywall, or showing ads before content, or dumping it all in a PDF, is a way of doing that. The consumer's right is to destructure what they get and consume it the way they like.

(As an analogy - if a restaurant wants me to not eat tomatoes, it's free to offers only meals without them. But it would be ridiculous for them to serve me tomatoes and then have a waiter hovering over me, ensuring I don't eat them. Or a waiter dictating I have to eat all of the things on my plate, and in a particular sequence.)

> Great, then use it when that option is available, as a benefit you wont see ads and producers get compensated.

Offer it to me, and I shall use it if I want your content badly enough, or not use it and go elsewhere. That's fair.

> I hope you're not naive enough to think that a paywall works for all content and all audiences?

I'm not. Fortunately, there are alternatives, including donations/patronage, or writing your content off as marketing expense for something else (e.g. articles published for free in hope you'll buy the author's book on the same topic, or just publishing in order to gather trust and goodwill).

(EDIT: and also, there's the elephant in the room - a lot of content can exists solely because of ads. Or, in other words, it couldn't be monetized in any other way. Why? Because it's crap. If that content dies off completely, I say good riddance.)

> there's a reason why ad-supported free content is used, it's not because it's easier, it's because it's viable

It's viable for now (and becoming less so, hence all the whining about ad-blockers). But so is polluting rivers when you're running a factory. Just because something is viable, doesn't mean it's good.

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