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Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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About 12 years ago I was working for a PC Magazine competitor when they cut the Managing Editor loose, a man who'd worked there 20+ years and was in his late 50s. I ran into him in the bathroom, tears in his eyes, asking me what he was going to do now? That this is how they reward decades of loyalty? Ironically that magazine, dedicated to predicting future technology trends, would go down the toilet some years later…

"Companies have no loyalty folks...neither should you." That's a broad brush to paint with; companies are just a group of people, not some inhuman construct. People make the decisions and just like every other aspect of life, some people care don't put their impact on others first, or can't because of circumstances. Not every company discards employees like garbage, and it's a lousy narrative to propagate.

You didn't mention a single counterexample. Meanwhile:

IBM, Oracle, Apple, Microsoft, you name it. All of those have done large cycles of layoffs.

And the coding industry is infamous for its Ageism.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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Thre's also the "faux friend" situation too. The people you work with have to get along with you but they are not your friends. If you're laid off you'll probably never heard from any of them ever again. And HR isn't your friend either. Many young people misunderstand the role of HR and believe it is a shoulder to cry on. Think of HR as just another company product or tool.

HR is there to maximize the value and minimize the risk from your humans. Everything in a company is designed to maximize (short term) shareholder value. This isn't evil; the company needs shareholder value to survive.

That is junk economics and libertarianism. Companies certainly can and are evil, unrestrained competition is basically drug cartel turf wars/slavery, and maximized shareholder value doesn't produce the most competitive products and long-term health of a company, it produces the most short-term money to investors.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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The funny thing is, if you gave me the option of reading a Dvorak article or an arbitrary PC Mag article, all other factors held fixed, I would pick Dvorak every time. That is, they just laid off an asset that was more valuable than the rest of the company.

Absolutely true. Dvorak should start his own venture...a lot of fans would jump (the sinking) ship in an instant.

He should do his own Wordpressed based blog with Adsense and other advertisment on it to earn money. Do podcasts and stuff like that.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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The Milgram experiment has been thoroughly discredited.

Source? The only item under validity on wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity ) is a book, rather than a journal, and it's far from thoroughly discrediting.

There are quite a few sources:

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-el...

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shoc...

https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper...

In terms of a meta-analysis, try this one:

http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0098628316677644

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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Source? The only item under validity on wikipedia ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment#Validity ) is a book, rather than a journal, and it's far from thoroughly discrediting.

There are quite a few sources: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-el... http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shoc... https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper... In terms of a meta-analysis, try this one: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi…

Thanks for sharing that was quite interesting.

This one in particular argues: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 (1) willingness to perform unpleasant tasks is contingent upon identification with collective goals and (2) leaders cultivate identification with those goals by making them seem virtuous rather than vicious and thereby ameliorating the stress that achieving them entails.

Quite interesting perspective on leadership. I suspect it's a bit of both.

However, from your first link:

"But many psychologists argue that even with methodological holes and moral lapses, the basic finding of Milgram’s work, the rate of obedience, still holds up. "

Doesn't seem thoroughly discredited to me.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are quite a few sources: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2015/01/rethinkin... https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/famous-milgram-el... http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2012/s3489337.htm https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23731691-000-the-shoc... https://www.vox.com/2018/6/13/17449118/stanford-prison-exper... In terms of a meta-analysis, try this one: http://journals.sagepub.com/doi…

Thanks for sharing that was quite interesting. This one in particular argues: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 (1) willingness to perform unpleasant tasks is contingent upon identification with collective goals and (2) leaders cultivate identification with those goals by making them seem virtuous rather than vicious and thereby ameliorating the stress that achieving them entails. Quite inte…

It's possible I over-egged the pudding. It would be more accurate to say that there are significant concerns with the experiment.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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Thanks for sharing that was quite interesting. This one in particular argues: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/bjso.12074 (1) willingness to perform unpleasant tasks is contingent upon identification with collective goals and (2) leaders cultivate identification with those goals by making them seem virtuous rather than vicious and thereby ameliorating the stress that achieving them entails. Quite inte…

It's possible I over-egged the pudding. It would be more accurate to say that there are significant concerns with the experiment.

Fair enough, thanks again for sharing.

There's definitely far more to Milgram's than I knew. Many insights.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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I read this guy back in the 90s. I think he put down mp3s. I think I emailed him and told him he was on the wrong side of that.

Dvorak's greatest hits: "nobody wants a mouse", "Steve Jobs going the way of pet rocks", "cable modems are a dead end", "the mac is dead", "ipod is a niche product", "wikipedia is a dead end", "podcasting is a dead end", "linux is a dead end", "time to short apple", "the iphone's a flop", "ipad's a flop", "apple watch's a flop", etc.

If you look at some of those, he was right if you extend the timeline out. "nobody wants a mouse" - True in the days of touch screens. "the mac is dead" - Becoming true as they continue with the hardware choices for their pro lines and iOS'ification of the MacOS. "ipod is a niche product" - It is now for those who just want a music player and not a phone. "apple watch's a flop" - That was true when it came out. Apple was expecting it to be far larger than it was. Its now starting to gain traction, but don't see it growing to the number users who have iphones.

It might be better to say he was ahead of the curve on many of his statements.

Re: John Dvorak: “Yesterday I was fired from PC Magazine”

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Thre's also the "faux friend" situation too. The people you work with have to get along with you but they are not your friends. If you're laid off you'll probably never heard from any of them ever again. And HR isn't your friend either. Many young people misunderstand the role of HR and believe it is a shoulder to cry on. Think of HR as just another company product or tool.

Yeah, lots of people think HR is resources for humans, but it’s really for the management of resources that are humans.

I prefer the term Human Accounting myself.
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