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Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Kombucha is certainly a market. There is also a large variety of non-alcohol beers.

true that - I've seen a ton of Kombucha. On the beer side - I see a lot less (here in Portland OR) but read more about the trend. ...I might not be looking hard enough though.

I buy mine in large wine store Total Wine, but there is decent selection in Safeway as well.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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If that was the extent of your drinking, I doubt that was the major factor in your improved health. I would look to the things you consumed while drinking, such as rich full-fat restaurant food in big portions, salty carb-heavy fatty snacks and second-hand smoke. Cutting out alcohol completely is certainly not a bad thing health-wise, but I think it was much more significant that you stopped going out so much.

Nah, I still do eat rich full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. Trust me, it's the alcohol. The day after drinking used be completely wasted for me. Now every day can be very productive.

In that case, if it truly wrecked the day after, you were drinking a lot more than just a couple of pints or some wine with dinner, and were probably in denial about it.

I can tell the difference, trust me. I've been there myself, and I still go there on occasion, in good company at a concert/festival, when I know I can waste a Saturday/Sunday after. A couple of pints will not do it.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

Unless you were getting wasted it's quite unusual for a few drinks to make you feel bad. Also, there is more and more a decent selection of But then again, maybe the point of drinking together is it provides some kind of bonding effect, being a shared vice. It makes it harder to lie and shows you value others more than your own health (relatively).

> Unless you were getting wasted it's quite unusual for a few drinks to make you feel bad.

Is it, though? I know plenty of people who will just waste whole days away in front of the TV doing nothing because they don't feel like doing anything else. People are constantly telling me they're "tired". I used to be like that too. But now I work on my career or on my hobbies day in, day out. Barring seasonal illnesses I never have down days.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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post #111

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true that - I've seen a ton of Kombucha. On the beer side - I see a lot less (here in Portland OR) but read more about the trend. ...I might not be looking hard enough though.

I buy mine in large wine store Total Wine, but there is decent selection in Safeway as well.

Looking at their site - nice selection! - wish they had a beer filter for "low abv" or similar.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Nah, I still do eat rich full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food. Trust me, it's the alcohol. The day after drinking used be completely wasted for me. Now every day can be very productive.

You didn't ask for this suggestion, but I'll say it anyway: evidence suggests that making a similar switch in your regular diet would have a material impact on your well-being beyond what you've experienced with alcohol. If you think back to your drinking days and think you would have gained more from quitting alcohol much earlier, just imagine how you would feel by improving your diet.

My diet is very well-controlled. I fast for 20 hours every day and have a perfectly balanced intake. But if I drink alcohol I will sleep badly and I will have a bad day tomorrow. Why do people refuse to believe this?

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

I agree with the observation that people expect a reason. At least in my experience in Australia, "no thanks, I'm driving" works well. It is somewhat socially unacceptable to convince a driver to drink, and bar staff are supportive generally.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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You didn't ask for this suggestion, but I'll say it anyway: evidence suggests that making a similar switch in your regular diet would have a material impact on your well-being beyond what you've experienced with alcohol. If you think back to your drinking days and think you would have gained more from quitting alcohol much earlier, just imagine how you would feel by improving your diet.

My diet is very well-controlled. I fast for 20 hours every day and have a perfectly balanced intake. But if I drink alcohol I will sleep badly and I will have a bad day tomorrow. Why do people refuse to believe this?

> full-fat, salty, and carb-heavy food.

> My diet is very well-controlled

Pick one

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Sure, you could run an alcohol intervention by an IRB and see what they say. If they think there is equipoise they might go for it. Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I feel strongly about it or would throw down some gauntlet.

I don't accept the legitimacy of IRB rulings; I hope to see a day when these bodies stop blocking research. Researchers are competent to be ethical on their own. My reading (not just [1], although [1] is a lucid examination) suggests to me that IRBs are net detrimental to research. There's an incentive misalignment that pushes them too far in the "harm" prevention camp and that makes it too difficult to answer scient…

If I am following your logic here, you're saying that because you read a blog post in which a practitioner was surprised at how much more ethically complex it is to conduct scientific research than it is to simply deliver the current state of the art to a patient, you've come to believe that biomedical research should be freed from institutional oversight?

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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> For some reason you are expected to provide a reason for why you don't drink I grew up in a family that didn't drink - and this was always weird/uncomfortable to explain to friends. I do drink now; but I've noticed over the years that it is becoming much more socially acceptable to not drink ..and people don't think it so strange; "I just don't like it", "religious beliefs", "trying to get healthier". So, yeah, peo…

related: I wonder if there is an emerging market for craft non-alcoholic cocktails in bars similar to the emergence of low-alcohol craft beers (in the ~2% range).

It is called mocktails and every proper cocktail bar has at least as many as regular cocktails. If your cocktail bar does not, then you are overpaying for a spruced up dive bar experience.

Re: Remember when a glass of wine a day was good for you?

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Obviously I can't say anything about my own longevity, but over the past few years my alcohol consumption has decreased to virtually zero and I've never felt better. I was never a big drinker, but I would semi-regularly go out and drink a few pints of beer or have wine with dinner. I never intended to cut down on alcohol, but my lifestyle changed, I stopped going out so much, and the drinking went with it. I would st…

> When I do go out now I drink diet soft drinks so that I don't get constantly asked why I don't have a drink.

That's probably one of the absolute worst ideas one could have as a substitution.

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