A Programming Language Underdog

Post by peatmoss » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 3:23 PM UTC

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If Nim’s compile-to-c is attractive, and you like lisp, how about Chicken Scheme?: https://www.call-cc.org/ What little I’ve done is a pleasure. I like some of Racket’s post-Scheme language features better, but Chicken has a lot of Get Stuff Done libraries (eggs), and compiling a single executable is pretty killer. Racket will bundle up an executable pretty well too, but it’s hard to compete with Scheme -> C -> stati…

I was using Gambit many years ago, and I remember hitting issues with Windows and Chicken. I do like IUP and Canvas Draw though! I am not a Nim fan, but I don't like Python either, so it's just a subjective syntax thing.

Post by gmfawcett » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 3:47 PM UTC

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Actually, I'm curious why people don't like white space sensitive languages. I get the tab v space thing, and there are certainly a couple of other down sides, but none of these seem like deal breakers to me. Given that python was the second language I learned, it's possible that I drank the coolaid early and I'm blind to some things that are truly egregious. So the question is: why do folks completely avoid a langua…

It really bothered me in python, but for some reason I didn't mind it in F#. Of course, some of that may be related to the fact that I enjoyed F# so much that I was willing to put up with significant whitespace. Or perhaps it's just been too long since I've used python and today it would bother me less.

Post by soegaard » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 5:14 PM UTC

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I am curious to know what you find limiting about the Racket GUI. There have been some interesting[1] things[2] being developed with it recently. I have been able to use it to write a stock trading simulator[3] with price charts. [1] https://alex-hhh.github.io/2018/06/a-racket-gui-widget-to-di... [2] https://alex-hhh.github.io/2018/05/running-and-cycling-worko... [3] https://github.com/evdubs/chart-simulator

Same as OP but posted from another account. Well, it always depends on the application. Here are the main limitations: 1. no internal drag&drop from control to control in a frame or from frame to frame, like from an editor snip to a listbox, or from a listbox item to a text field or canvas 2. text% and editor-canvas% are too slow for some applications, esp. for displaying lots of data fast or styling snips 3. text% d…

Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 6:16 PM UTC

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Trouble is the commit is there: The thing has been taken at face value. This galloping madness is beginning to scare the shit out of me.

No it hasn't. >We realise it's a troll, but we had an internal discussion and we decided that we wanted to remove these anyway. We're not being terrorised into change just because a (bad) troll appeared, they just happened to bring attention to a real issue.

Post by eggy » Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 6:43 PM UTC

peatmoss wrote: post #221

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I was using Gambit many years ago, and I remember hitting issues with Windows and Chicken. I do like IUP and Canvas Draw though! I am not a Nim fan, but I don't like Python either, so it's just a subjective syntax thing.

I feel like a few years may have cleared up issues on Windows. Compilers and Windows vs. The Rest of the World felt wilder and weirder not long ago. In general I feel like F/OSS tooling on Windows has gotten lower friction. I base this not on any specific understanding, but on needing to compile something for Windows every few years and feeling now that the hoops to jump are fewer.