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Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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Many years ago I shared that I browse across several browsers, separating usage depending on the site I am visiting. + Gmail, Drive, Google Calendar = Chrome + Sites I trust = Firefox + Sites I do not know or trust = Firefox Private browsing (or Firefox Focus on Android) This involves cautiously copying links from browser to browser, and if I make a mistake I have a scorched Earth policy of the history and cookies. T…

I also used to do exactly this. Except with Safari as my untrusted 3rd. Eventually, I just got tired of the trouble and found that having a complete, searchable web history was actually so much a useful feature for me. So I stopped pretending and sold out to Google completely.

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I think about it, no. People make the decision between different ecosystems, and Apple and Google are the biggest. Apple has a tight control over Safari on iOS. Safari has been defeated on Desktop though.

I disagree. Safari way outperforms Chrome on MacOS while using considerably less battery. I know, it's behind on some features/standards though.

I am only talking about marketshare.

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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The new Google Chrome design with version 69 marked the beginning of a new era – Google wants to portray Chrome as something that is way more than a browser. They want you to see it as the primary interface of the web. This is what the average user wants. All complex functionality has been put in the background. Cross-platform integration has been perfected. Give it a year and users around the world will no longer th…

> They want you to think of it like a window into your online life, a window that is the same no matter where you are or what device you use.

And that's a terrible loss for human civilization. They are going to destroy the open, decentralized Web to build a walled garden for Google to cater to some hypothetical "average user". It's truly absurd.

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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I feel like there's some implied assumption here that this change lets Google do something evil that they couldn't do before, but I don't really see what.

If you're logged into Google properties (independent of browser), Google can already track you across most of the internet, via their Ads and Analytics embedded in a rather large percentage of web sites. If you don't want Google to track you on non-Google web sites, then you really need to use separate browser profiles (or separate browsers). Have one profile for Google properties and a separate one for other things.

Ironically, Chrome has really good multi-profile support. It's easy to have different Chrome windows running different profiles, each of which has all its own settings, storage, login state, etc. Give each one a different theme to make it easy to tell which profile you're using.

Firefox has a concept of profiles but AFAICT you can only run one profile at a time. :(

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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> [googlers] were wondering why the new behaviour might feel abusive to some people. That says something about how out of touch Google is at the moment.

I daresay this comment might apply more to us than to Google. To 99% of people, these features are useful and helpful, with the downsides being mostly philosophical or theoretical.

> To 99% of people, these features are useful and helpful, with the downsides being mostly philosophical or theoretical.

There is something there that makes it comparable to the early nature conservation movements. Fast forward a couple generations and nearly 99% of the population is pretty convinced on climate change and that we've messed up quite severely - but not enough to stop messing up.

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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Except battery, it is a battery destroyer unfortunately.

Or fortunately for those of us who use desktop computers. Usually battery performance enhancements decrease actual performance. It's a real shame so much good software is gimped just so people can run it on mobile.

This hasn't been true for a long time. The same enhancements that conserve battery also tend to ensure that plenty of processing and thermal capacity is available for whatever does want the CPU. (For instance, your top CPU "turbo" speed depends on how many of the other CPU cores are sleeping.)

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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Many years ago I shared that I browse across several browsers, separating usage depending on the site I am visiting. + Gmail, Drive, Google Calendar = Chrome + Sites I trust = Firefox + Sites I do not know or trust = Firefox Private browsing (or Firefox Focus on Android) This involves cautiously copying links from browser to browser, and if I make a mistake I have a scorched Earth policy of the history and cookies. T…

For me its similar as well

- Firefox incognito and Bing for sites I dont trust and/or wanting to watch any videos I want (tv shows, movies, porn, etc). Bing is miles better anyhow for this because of googles DMCA takedowns. Theres no risk of XSS because firefox is sandboxed and I have nothing important there.

- Firefox I occasionally use for devdocs.io and some documentation resources.

- Google for everything else. I have too many plugins though here though.

I am debating on using a 3rd browser bc I do occasionally scrape things and keeping track what I am being tracked on is hard to remember. Id rather not run the risk of getting banned anywhere. At the sametime, getting tracked through cookies is convenient to me so I dont have to relogin etc.

So I also run a scorched earth policy. Possibly using a 4th browser for seperating bank logins, social media etc on a different browser entirely. Granted I 2FA everything

VPN for everything, I turn it off only during gaming. Rather not deal with my ISP and net neutrality implications.

I dont care what google or microsoft knows about me in all honesty. There are so many ways to fingerprint users on the web that its almost impossible not to get tracked, unless you took extraorindary measures against it.

Anything I do on my phone I assume is compromised, managing app permissions is too much work. I dont take photos with potential blackmail material. Same with anything I use chrome with, I use a lot of extensions. They always get compromised.

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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I feel like there's some implied assumption here that this change lets Google do something evil that they couldn't do before, but I don't really see what. If you're logged into Google properties (independent of browser), Google can already track you across most of the internet, via their Ads and Analytics embedded in a rather large percentage of web sites. If you don't want Google to track you on non-Google web sites…

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Contextual_Identity_Projec...

Re: Chrome is a Google Service that happens to include a Browser Engine

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This update really broke a lot of things. There are a lot of services that rely on the first logged in google account. I used to log into chrome with a personal account, and log into gmail/etc first with my business account. That way, my bookmarks and history would stay with me personally, but things that I use a lot, work email/google cloud etc would open as default under the work account.

One common issue is some sites (google’s gallery.io even), only really associate based with the first account logged into chrome, or the OAuth flow breaks.

Now if you log out of google, to set the base login to your work email for example, it logs you out of chrome also, so there goes your password manager/bookmarks/cookies etc.

I’m still figuring the best strategy, currently I just made a second chrome profile to separate but it’s super time consuming/annoying.

I feel like it was a major change without any heads up.

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