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French salaries for postdocs and engineers in public research are fairly under average. Still we have plenty of Italians in our lab
tl;dr: It looks like there no opportunity for Italian scientists and engineers: they're all moving to Germany and the UK.
They will fix it European way. > Support from the European Union could come handy in helping Italian and Spanish entrepreneurs overcome the gap with more developed parts of Europe, both in terms of funding and networking opportunities. Indeed, as for the former, both nations are among the first beneficiaries, in the last two years, of the funds earmarked by the EU for innovation and technological research in the Hori…
It would be interesting to see the percentages for scientists and researchers independently. For France, for instance, researchers' wages are not very high. A lecturer typically starts with about 2115 euros per month before taxes typically for instance. On the contrary, I think that the salary of engineers is competitive with the ones in the UK and Germany.
Hard to compare with costs of living.
Turkey has now a great exodus ever in its history. Most of the educated Turks are now trying to abandon their beloved country. Recent stats indicate that top 4 countries they are going are UK, Germany, France, Netherlands [1]. If you see any of these precious guys, just say hi to them. They will speak to you. [1]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42433668
Random thought: the UK has the advantage of speaking English. First, that makes it easier for them to pull in other Europeans, since english is commonly the second language of most other Europeans. Second they can also pull in American and Canadian expats much easier than anyone else in Europe. Germany is more interesting to me. German is not exactly the worlds most common first or second language. So this is more ev…
Your point stands though, as they usually don't know this before they actually start learning, so they must have other reasons.
I don't understand how these graphs show brain drain, there a bunch of other explanations. For example maybe a bigger proportion of Germans get an appropriate university degree than Italians. Or maybe the people getting an engineering degree in Italy can't get a job in that field, and end up working on something else but not emigrating. Or the difference comes from non-EU scientists/engineers preferentially moving to…
I can't blame them at all, taxes are excessive and bureaucracy is excruciating here. Finding even a temporary job usually requires family connections, so the dumbest people with connections end up as managers while the smartest get put into lower positions. It's a great place to live if you have money, but a horrible place to be for smart young people without lots of social/family clout.
Random thought: the UK has the advantage of speaking English. First, that makes it easier for them to pull in other Europeans, since english is commonly the second language of most other Europeans. Second they can also pull in American and Canadian expats much easier than anyone else in Europe. Germany is more interesting to me. German is not exactly the worlds most common first or second language. So this is more ev…
I don't understand how these graphs show brain drain, there a bunch of other explanations. For example maybe a bigger proportion of Germans get an appropriate university degree than Italians. Or maybe the people getting an engineering degree in Italy can't get a job in that field, and end up working on something else but not emigrating. Or the difference comes from non-EU scientists/engineers preferentially moving to…
Italian engineer here. The brain drain is real and the graphs represent quite accurately what's happening to me and my peers. (It might be my bubble of course, but hey, now we have this legit-looking snapshot in the article)