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Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by dcow »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #109
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #99

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You're right and I'm totally on board with that. But that doesn't seem to be how Apple works, if they freely share everything they put on line then, for sure, have at it. If they expect people to pay to access their IPR then they should, without prompting, pay others when they want access to their's.

You're right, the big companies are the biggest offenders against this intended use of the web. And that's bad. And they aren't accessing others intellectual property with this. They are building custom tools to display other's intellectual property. Very different.

Whats the legal precident for cases like this? A C&D is not the law and just because big-corp has lawyers doesn't mean bullying people who don't access their public resources in exactly the way they want is legal...

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by ricardobeat »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #110
ricardobeat wrote: post #97

This is what the web was built for. Good job everyone!

Yes, so "good job" to Apple because they're freely sharing all their IPR online too?

In the same way every company today wouldn't be able to run without MIT-licensed software, with absolutely zero guarantee of giving anything back, the spirit is that you don't care what others do or not do, all you care about is that content is open by default.

And speaking of that, you can definitely use the same workflow automation to extract anything from Apple's own websites.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by asaph »

dwighttk wrote: post #200
asaph wrote: post #187

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They've been there for years. You just turned off your ad blocker :)

weird... when I reloaded without content blockers on my phone there weren't any ads, but checking on my big computer I saw them. I guess that's what I get for assuming.

The mobile site has fewer ads than the desktop site. Ads only appear in the footer on mobile.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by zeveb »

nevi-me wrote: post #164
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #103

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If you put a website online you're explicitly giving the right to link to it. If the government are not allowing use of their IPR then I think you have an argument, unless they're trying to stop linking to their stuff then I don't see the problem.

In South Africa, if you put your website online, you're automatically protected by our Intellectual Property Act under copyright protection. Unless I waive that copyright (which I haven't waived per my TOS on the website), whoever hotlinks to my website or derives financial gain without my consent is violating my rights per my country's Constitution. I don't see any "explicitly giving the right ..." there. In fact, I…

And that's an ignorant law, since all a link is, is a way to say, 'hey, go to this machine and ask for this resource.' If you, the owner of the machine, wish not to give it to people who ask for it … don't.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by romwell »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #83
slivym wrote: post #58

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The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

>The web was literally built do be usable this way.

Sure, the technology was built to be used in certain ways, which might not be ethical or legal, depending on a particular instance of usage.

Because one can do something, obviously doesn't mean one should. I can't chop your furniture just because I have an axe that was literally built for chopping.

>your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

Indeed, but that doesn't mean someone is allowed to send arbitrary content to that browser. The fault is not with the browser.

If I put an image on Flickr, you can hotlink to that image in your web article, print it on your printer, and distribute. The technology was literally built to be usable that way.

However, it is neither legal nor ethical to do that.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by catoc »

wnkrshm wrote: post #157
catoc wrote: post #51

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Why call a lawyer? The OP put something on the internet with the intention for others to use it. Apple used it. Is there anything on his site (terms,"rules") that indicate what Apple is doing is considered non-acceptable use? Shouldn't we be happy the world can still work like this - bottom-up implementation with presumably good intentions - instead of having to talk to lawyers before every tiny step we take? We're t…

The basis of copyright is that you own what you make and you retain the exclusive right to publish it and decide how it should be published. If you don't have any terms of service or any kind of licensing info on your website the default is: it belongs to you and you choose to exclusively publish your work on that website. Just because there's no license info doesn't mean it's public domain. You have the right to cit…

"the default is: it belongs to you and you choose to exclusively publish your work on that website. Just because there's no license info doesn't mean it's public domain. You have the right to cite the content properly (meaning attribution) as part of anther work under fair use."

Interesting, thanks. (I presume there is jurisprudence to substantiate this statement)

If true, it opens up a way to question fair-use: Suppose Apple now properly cites JGuitar.com as the source, and otherwise continues its implementation unchanged, would that be fair-use? Hmmm.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by jplayer01 »

cyborgx7 wrote: post #83
slivym wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reason everyone is reacting the way they are is because this news really isn't about this particular website. It's about the fact that the largest corporation on earth has decided it can freeboot everyone else's content. It's part of a trend too. Google a topic and on the right hand side of the page you'll see the first paragraph from Wikipedia. How exactly do you expect wikipedia to survive if no one ever has to…

The web was literally built do be usable this way. I know people have started to believe that the only allowable way to view "content" is in the way the website builders decided, but your browser is allowed to display the content it downloaded in any way it wants to you.

The web wasn’t built for massive corporations to profit off the work of others.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by jplayer01 »

dcow wrote: post #197
benregenspan wrote: post #190

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It's not freebooting, it's more akin to hotlinking. Which is arguably worse - they're using the author's IP and hosting infrastructure without offering sufficient credit or so much as a heads-up. This could quickly make a side project unsustainable, if the owner of a (hypothetical, not this specific) project has limited $ for hosting costs. The author of the project can't make use of the obvious strategy of dropping…

Hotlink sounds a lot like hyperlink . Really it just sounds like people need to protect their content with licenses and "website experiences" with terms if they want to enforce restrictions on how things they host publicly are used. I agree it seems rude that they didnt give the owner any warning, but meh.

Seems like you're just ignoring all his points because you don't care about the consequences. Plenty of us do happen to care.

Re: Thanks for the Surprise Integration with My Website, Apple

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Post by OnlyRepliesToBS »

dcow wrote: post #41

> I'm genuinely thrilled that someone at Apple deemed my chord calculator technology worthy of inclusion in the iOS shortcuts gallery. If anyone from Apple is reading this, please reach out using JGuitar.com's contact form. We can work together to make this experience even better. I can provide high quality SVG images of all chord diagrams, support alternate tunings, instruments and more. Is everyone missing the fact…

diminish and downplay, SOP
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