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Re: FanDuel not honoring bet that would have paid over $82,000 due to line error

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. I am a lawyer, licensed in 4 states (among other bars) :) 2. I grew up in NJ and am quite familiar with the gambling regs (but i admit to not having paid attention in the past few years) 3. I checked with other NJ lawyers.

I am not a lawyer. I grew up in NJ but I'm more familiar with the policies of Nevada gambling firms. But, I have a perhaps-unreasonable amount of confidence in my understanding of regulator-regulatee dynamics. I further think FanDuel competently understood their legal environment before making their statements defending the non-payment to the press. (If their experts knew they'd eventually have to pay anyway, why tak…

"But, I have a perhaps-unreasonable amount of confidence in my understanding of regulator-regulatee dynamics."

I also lived and worked in DC for 10 years :-)

I'm just not gonna bet or gamble here[1]. I expressed an opinion. I stand by that opinion. I will note you twisted it a little bit. I also gave what FanDuel's strongest argument will be, and I expect if they do win, it will be on those grounds.

But i do think you are very mistaken about at least one thing:

"I further think FanDuel competently understood their legal environment before making their statements defending the non-payment to the press. (If their experts knew they'd eventually have to pay anyway, why take the PR hit?)"

Because there is no meaningful PR hit - gamblers are not going to stop using it either way.

I also strongly doubt they "completely understood their legal environment" before making that statement, because pretty much no companies fanduel's size do so. You are suggesting a level of organized legal process that is uncommon. :)

[1] There are also too many paths where fanduel loses but the bettor does not get anything meaningful, or the question doesn't get decided because the person runs out of money or their lawyer sucks.

Re: FanDuel not honoring bet that would have paid over $82,000 due to line error

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post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a lawyer. I grew up in NJ but I'm more familiar with the policies of Nevada gambling firms. But, I have a perhaps-unreasonable amount of confidence in my understanding of regulator-regulatee dynamics. I further think FanDuel competently understood their legal environment before making their statements defending the non-payment to the press. (If their experts knew they'd eventually have to pay anyway, why tak…

"But, I have a perhaps-unreasonable amount of confidence in my understanding of regulator-regulatee dynamics." I also lived and worked in DC for 10 years :-) I'm just not gonna bet or gamble here[1]. I expressed an opinion. I stand by that opinion. I will note you twisted it a little bit. I also gave what FanDuel's strongest argument will be, and I expect if they do win, it will be on those grounds. But i do think yo…

Fair enough, but I can't see how I "twisted it a little bit".

I don't see how any reasonable reader can interpret "Fanduel is gonna lose this one" as anything other than they pay the full ticket price.

There has absolutely been a PR hit, already, because most stories and lots of comments (like yours!) have implied FanDuel is in the wrong, and disliked for their behavior. (Even if it's a negligible effect among significant gamblers, it's not good for their brand among casual and new players. I had no idea they were operating actual betting windows, as opposed to online real-money "contests", so I've lowered my estimation of FanDuel from "novel online innovator" to "same old casino sportsbook".)

And further, if Fanduel were to confidently say they wouldn't pay, and then "lose" in a legal action as you predicted, there'd be deeper hits. First, a second round of stories that "Fanduel loses". Then, many more gamblers emboldened, in future similar situations, to insist on payment-of-errors rather than accepting the casino's "house rules".

And I believe definitionally, there are no "FanDuel loses but the bettor does not get anything meaningful" paths. If the bettor "doesn't get anything meaningful", for whatever reason – including that the rules are murky enough the bettor gives up, or the courts/regulators are stacked against such complaints – then those are precisely "FanDuel wins" paths. As I'm predicting, and willing to bet on, while you're predicting they "lose".

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