I think it's important to stress the fact that DMT does not feel like being thrown in a meat-grinder, or being impaled in a car accident, or any other grisly way to die. Really, it might be more correct to say "Death might feel like a DMT trip" because many have experienced a DMT trip, but it's not every day you get to experience death. Of course, it makes for a less interesting title.
A DMT trip 'feels like dying' – and scientists now agree
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#12If it's near death experiences you want, no need to push the boat out - just skip dinner, go to the pub, drink 7 pints of beer, have a kebab (you'll probably be hungry by then), go home, drink the 2 bottles of beer you found in the fridge, that and eat the pork pie, then sleep for 6 hours, then wake up.
The article says the administered dose is well short of toxic and merely simulates a near death experience. People can and frequently do experience actual actual death while engaging in alchoholic revelry.
I’m not opposed to drinking, but the risks of a controlled study described in the article don’t seem remotely comparable to an evening out on the town. If I had a dollar for every person who died from falling over or passing out and drowning in their own vomit due to alcohol, I’m pretty sure I could afford all the South America shamen-led ayahuasca trips I wanted.(1)
(1) EDIT: which is admittedly somewhere between zero and one.
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#13I just associate DMT with nausea — and have no desire to repeat that pain. I did an ayuasca ceremony and only managed to drink one dose (you are encouraged to drink a lot more) — but my body felt so awful and all the evidence suggested the pretty obvious cause that there was no part of me that wanted to drink more and I felt completely fine with my decision to stop.
Re: A DMT trip 'feels like dying' – and scientists now agree
#14If it's near death experiences you want, no need to push the boat out - just skip dinner, go to the pub, drink 7 pints of beer, have a kebab (you'll probably be hungry by then), go home, drink the 2 bottles of beer you found in the fridge, that and eat the pork pie, then sleep for 6 hours, then wake up.
The article says the administered dose is well short of toxic and merely simulates a near death experience. People can and frequently do experience actual actual death while engaging in alchoholic revelry. I’m not opposed to drinking, but the risks of a controlled study described in the article don’t seem remotely comparable to an evening out on the town. If I had a dollar for every person who died from falling over…
Hash tag british humour.
But wait. Is it even humour at all?! :O - well now, isn't that always the question.
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#15If anyone is in NYC this week, this conference on DMT has a ridiculously stacked speaker list: https://events.theassemblage.com/dmtdialogues
A HN friend and I are going to this. Email in bio if anyone attending is interested in meeting up.
I don’t live in the US so I don’t have the opportunity to meet up with you guys, but I just wanted to say that your mention of “a HN friend” piqued my interest. Is that to say you guys met through HN? Does that happen often, that people meet through HN?
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#16I feel at some point we changed what an NDE was really categorized as. When Rick Strassman did his research in the 90's and wrote DMT the spirit molecule he stated that classical NDEs were distinct from alien encounters and that in his trials alien encounters were far more common than NDE. Now it seems that alien encounters are also considered NDEs.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
The article says the administered dose is well short of toxic and merely simulates a near death experience. People can and frequently do experience actual actual death while engaging in alchoholic revelry. I’m not opposed to drinking, but the risks of a controlled study described in the article don’t seem remotely comparable to an evening out on the town. If I had a dollar for every person who died from falling over…
Hash tag british humour. But wait. Is it even humour at all?! :O - well now, isn't that always the question.
Every comedian needs a straight man as a foil, no? ;-)
Re: A DMT trip 'feels like dying' – and scientists now agree
#18I think it's important to stress the fact that DMT does not feel like being thrown in a meat-grinder, or being impaled in a car accident, or any other grisly way to die. Really, it might be more correct to say "Death might feel like a DMT trip" because many have experienced a DMT trip, but it's not every day you get to experience death. Of course, it makes for a less interesting title.
People experience death (and psychoactives) in a variety of ways, and its metaphorical usage reflects that. The meat-grinder sense maps better to stimulants (ie., caffeine, amphetamine, etc) whereas the exhausting, perhaps harrowing and enlightening sense of death is what we tend to experience with the psychedelics.
Re: A DMT trip 'feels like dying' – and scientists now agree
#19If it's near death experiences you want, no need to push the boat out - just skip dinner, go to the pub, drink 7 pints of beer, have a kebab (you'll probably be hungry by then), go home, drink the 2 bottles of beer you found in the fridge, that and eat the pork pie, then sleep for 6 hours, then wake up.
So most Thursdays and a few Sundays then.
Re: A DMT trip 'feels like dying' – and scientists now agree
#20If anyone is in NYC this week, this conference on DMT has a ridiculously stacked speaker list: https://events.theassemblage.com/dmtdialogues
If they had Cliff Pickover I would consider making the trip from LA.